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radio for the masses yeah that's what

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today is Tuesday February 13th 2018 44

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hundred and twenty one days left we are

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live from a bunker somewhere in downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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planet I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is cracking everybody how are you doing

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all right settle down it's time to

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to do what we're gonna do tonight which

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is we're gonna have a very special John

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Anthony West tribute the show tonight

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with our guests Robert Schoch and chance

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Gardner first up tonight will be Robert

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Schoch live from Boston and then chance

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Gardner in the second hour live from

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Australia Robert Schoch worked with and

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tonight we will nail that official date

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down right and so there you go there and

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then chance Gardner the director of

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magical Egypt one and two with John

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tonight there is I just can't think of

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two closer friends and partners with

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John Anthony West then these two

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gentlemen Robert Schoch and chance

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Gardner so tonight we're gonna have some

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fun okay now I get to my best to tell

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probably gonna be repeated many many

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times tonight in that John would not I

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can only imagine the string of bad words

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that would come out of his mouth if we

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did anything tonight that was a bummer

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does not play that way

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so we are not going to play that way

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tonight it just it's just the way that

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he he was and is and that that's that's

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have some fun okay so Robert Schoch

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we'll run it all through Twitter email

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them to us you can email them to Rita at

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Jimmy Church radio comm or myself Jimmy

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during the show and I'll comment on the

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pics as they pop up and and definitely

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to the end of the show so if you have a

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there you go this will be a fun night I

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want it to be uplifting and I want it to

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so that's what we're gonna do okay so if

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you think I'm going all somber yeah it

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ain't that guy in the party it's John

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Anthony West tribute okay follow me on

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twitter @jj radio simple @j church radio

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follow me right there I'm really big man

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I've got something I'm gonna throw it

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nothing nothing fixes my throat like

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River Moon coffee I swear it's an

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antidote it's an antidote it's an

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antidote heaven love it okay what was uh

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where was I just going out wit er I'm a

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big big social media if you if you hang

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right there and Twitter that I'm a big

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social media person and I can't respond

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to everything cuz that would be my

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media like hearing what you have to say

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and what me and the family are doing and

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my concerns of this community so there

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you can certainly go and do that and

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really cool and oh look at this okay see

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see this is what I'm talking about you

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these who took these he sent me these in

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that and thank you for the email today

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Linda with the Jim Marrs Jaws hats is

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hanging out together that's a great

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that's pretty cool okay all right so

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throughout the show Jimmy and Jimmy

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chirps radio.com if you do have some

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jaws pics that you want us to see and

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boat at the Great Pyramid and this is

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the boat too as well mind blowing and

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tribute and again if you've got anything

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that you would like to see pulses up on

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cool oh man look at that that's well

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done my friend that is well done jaws on

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the jaws that's pretty cool with this

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done I might have to steal that and use

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that a little bit later that's pretty

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okay ah where am I at oh don't forget I

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need to remind everybody our sole tech

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gathering up at ecity Ranch this August

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now I said the exact same words last

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night and I'm gonna have to say him

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again tonight last night I said that we

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had a few of the passes left that were

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there were three left well as it turns

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out overnight with the way that the

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applications went through as of today

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because we had those signups yesterday

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reshuffled and we gained three more now

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now but about two hours ago before

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showtime there was still three left and

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then we just changed gears and go normal

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and Arita just said three left okay so

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that's official that's in real time so

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if you'd like to take advantage of that

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go and do it now dirt and do it now

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because it's gonna be done in the next

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few minutes okay all right soul tech

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gathering August 9 through 12

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II said II rant it's gonna be amazing

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more on that in the weeks and in days

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ahead our next event is going to be June

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1st through the 4th 2018 we're gonna be

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eye contact in the desert in Indian

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Wells Palms Palm Springs Southern

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California at the

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Renaissance Resort & Spa and if you just

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go to I don't know if we have the links

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up right now Jimmy Church radio.com but

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we'll get them up by tomorrow for

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contacting the desert you can certainly

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just go to contact in the desert calm

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and look at they've got a pre-scheduled

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that and the list of speakers and

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there's more to be added but go and

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today is 57 punk rock legend singer

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band that you came and they were like

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boys to men what was the name of that

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one for all what was his name it Robbie

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Williams man I can't remember take talk

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take talk I can't remember but today

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he's 44 what's cool about Robbie he's

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got pipes but he's a fully engaged

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ufologist Robbie Williams today is 44

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Peter Tork the Monkees today is 76

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Stockard Channing today is 74 now I'm

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gonna make a comment about this because

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Stockard Channing and Rita knows I hold

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Stockard Channing up there with any of

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the great actors in in all of history I

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just she's just amazingly talented and

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of course

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Rizzo and Greece I understand that she

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was amazing in six degrees of separation

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disturbing flick-right

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amazing performance but that wasn't her

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best and and and she still liked that

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wasn't her best her best is a movie from

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had to be the early 70s and it's a movie

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called that I never forgot the first

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time that I saw it when I was a kid and

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I've watched it so many times since is a

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movie called the girl most likely to

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and if you've never seen it watch it and

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after watching that movie she was a kid

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when that was made watch that and if you

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don't agree with me after after that

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flick that she isn't one of the greatest

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of all time period right go check it out

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the girl most likely to yeah amazing

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disturbing film disturbing it's cool she

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is somebody that you know especially

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back in the 70s where political

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correctness was not part of the game so

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you would call her ugly she had plastic

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surgery right and so and then she comes

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out out of the plastic surgery beautiful

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but before the plastic surgery she was

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mistreated and just and it wasn't cool

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and the people that weren't cool to her

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in her life because of her face and then

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what she did with them afterwards when

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she was good-looking and attractive same

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personality same person and what she

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does it's just just an amazing flow the

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girl most likely to go check it out on

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this day in history one of the big days

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in 1633 Galileo arrives in Rome to face

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charges of heresy that's right for

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advocating the Copernican theory right

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which which said that the Earth revolves

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around the Sun and what happened

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convicted house arrest in his villa in

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Florence until he died and that happened

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today on the stain history in 1633 fader

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fact okay listen to me this is a fader

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fact and some fader facts just don't

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make sense but that doesn't mean they

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are not true

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this is true and this is the fact that

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you can win money on you can you can win

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a bet with this well unless the other

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person is listening to this show so be

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careful with that but nonetheless are

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you ready the can opener

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was not invented until 50 years after

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the invention of canned food yeah you

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would think it'd be the same day but no

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the can opener was not invented until 50

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years after the invention of canned food

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and some things you just can't make up

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as crazy as that sounds

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that is a fader fact I'll go win some

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money all right tonight tonight we're

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gonna do we have two very special guests

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Robert Schoch and chance Gardner here

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for our John Anthony West special

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tribute and this is the deal we're gonna

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we're just gonna we're just gonna talk

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we're gonna have some fun we're gonna

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share some images we're going to tell

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some stories experiences and and and

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just things we're gonna talk about the

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the life and times of the one and only

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the great John Anthony West don't want

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to remind everybody that tomorrow night

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is Fator night and it is although it is

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Valentine's Day tomorrow we're gonna be

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doing a conscious life Expo recap we

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have dozens and dozens and dozens of

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pics that we're gonna go through and

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tell some stories a lot of amazing stuff

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went down some of it I've talked about

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we're talking about it again tomorrow

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night but it was an extraordinary

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conference The Fader knots were out in

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full force great speakers great events

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we had our pre event over at the house

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and then we moved everything down to the

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LAX Hilton and it was a great time had

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by all

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okay so that will be tomorrow Thursday

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night Richard Dolan is here and we're

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gonna review and analyze the Richard

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Doty phone call

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all the surprise called in to fade to

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black last week we're gonna do that and

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also talked a little Tom DeLonge okay

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alright with that I've got to hit this

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coffee love my fade to black blend by

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River moon coffee okay

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oh really really okay Rita can I say

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that now or can I do I have to save that

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for later and that's that's that's a

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fader fact she just whipped one out is

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that right

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okay I'm gonna save that for a bit I'll

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wait for your response okay I wanted to

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I wanted to speak very directly about

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Tom DeLonge and to the stars

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and I am going to write this up and I

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will have everything a little bit more

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concise and and stuff and laid out and

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posted tomorrow and if anybody questions

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you or my position on the show you'll be

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able to direct them to the website and

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everything will be open okay it'll be

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there and it's this I am human okay I'm

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human just like everybody else and I do

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my best to research to see through

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things to try to find the right answers

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and to make sure that the stuff that I

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have on this show is represented

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correctly okay that is always our goal

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I'm the human I can make mistakes and

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the the mistake that I made with Tom

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DeLonge is the same error mine was a

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mistake his was an error and I'm not

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sure why in showing the UFO community a

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picture of a balloon

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now Tom's Tom's error was trying to show

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that picture during his live video press

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conference when he was opening that day

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stocks for sale to the public into the

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stars Academy for price and having a

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picture of mylar a helium mylar balloon

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up and back of him and Chris Mellon and

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representing that as a UFO and UFO

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technology and so invest into to the

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Stars Academy because of things like

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this in that picture okay now my mistake

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and to be clear here on one Everett for

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transparency the two videos which were

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later posted the gimbal footage and the

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tic-tac footage may be real and I hope

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that they you know it hasn't been a

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hundred percent verified but it looks

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authentic certainly may be real and I

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hope that it is but at that time they

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were not in possession of those videos

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the only thing that they had to show to

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us at that time and if they had

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something else to show they didn't show

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and they probably should have but that

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tic-tac color tic-tac picture was

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actually a helium balloon my mistake was

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not vetting that source I want to be

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clear it's very simple to grab that

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image right click on it and and check

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out Google which is what I do and I do

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it with everything I've been busted

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before and this one time that I didn't

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do it

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got caught I'm human I made that mistake

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and in and I've got a few emails that

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pointed out the fact that I went live on

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Saturday night and the day of disclosure

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December 16th that this was the biggest

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day ever and if anybody is

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is gonna talk smack about Tom DeLonge

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they are jealous right see so the the

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the difference is that wasn't my point I

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wasn't my point at all and at that time

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those videos were not out my point that

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I had made which I still stand by it

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does not change is that DeLong pushing

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this into the mass media and having the

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mass media talk about this and having it

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out in front and revealing the things

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about the Pentagon and and Senator Harry

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Reid and and this this video footage and

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and pushing this agenda forward is huge

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and it's a difficult thing to do that is

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not my point and that has never been my

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point ever was to discount any of that

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my point and I want to drive this home

522
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is that when I did the days of

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disclosure special and everything was

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open for tea tsa and the purchasing of

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stock that video footage was not

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released don't confuse the issue it was

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not out it wasn't out for two months and

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at that point the only thing that they

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represented to the Stars Academy was a

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balloon picture and when you have a

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scientist and a guy from the Pentagon

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and CIA and then skunkworks and

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physicists and buy okay and all of the

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stuff that is the the personnel and the

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staff and the team of T TSA and nobody

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00:28:24,299 --> 00:28:21,760
could figure out or knew how to figure

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out that that was a mylar balloon when

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it's their job to investigate alien

539
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technology that's my point and that I

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won't let go and we will discuss this

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more on Thursday night but that is my

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position and tomorrow I will release an

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official statement and I will make it

544
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very very clear I want answers out of

545
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the long haven't gotten those and I

546
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think that there is something here and I

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think it's a very very big deal and it's

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not to be dismissed this isn't a mistake

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let's forget about

550
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and move on that is not the case all

551
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right there you go

552
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all right fade to black tonight our John

553
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Anthony West tribute special our guest

554
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tonight Robert Schoch he'll be up here

555
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in a second a little bit later chance

556
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Gardner joins the show live from

557
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:16,510
Australia Robert Schoch is gonna be here

558
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from Boston and so we're gonna do the

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life in time so we have lots of really

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cool photographs and images and stories

561
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we're gonna do all of that tonight with

562
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the two guys that knew him best okay all

563
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right we'll be right back with our first

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guest dr. Robert Schoch stayed to black

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in the game changer network and KCRA the

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy George

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radio.com comments and we're listening

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[Music]

637
00:33:53,409 --> 00:33:52,000
all right welcome back

638
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:53,419
fade to black I'm the old shimmy Church

639
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tonight's is our John Anthony West

640
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:02,480
special tributes our first guest up

641
00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:05,720
tonight is dr. Robert Schoch who worked

642
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:09,590
with mr. West for the last 30 years

643
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:13,760
research partner brother family member

644
00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:17,470
and this is the deal dr. Robert Schoch

645
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geologist Boston University Stanford

646
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Harvard Moscow State University

647
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University of Paris London I think I

648
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:29,960
think he got his doctorate in and

649
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:41,780
Grenada how he did I had like 30

650
00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:44,570
universities here listed I was gonna

651
00:34:50,290 --> 00:34:46,600
read through them all just for fun but

652
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:50,300
you know this is but but seriously when

653
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:53,060
you look even for you when you look at

654
00:34:59,170 --> 00:34:56,020
your CV and you look at the amount of

655
00:35:01,240 --> 00:34:59,180
education that you have behind you at

656
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:01,250
the most prestigious schools on the

657
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:05,800
planet right does it did it impress you

658
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:08,510
yeah sometimes I look and say who is

659
00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:13,369
that person right right no joke I had

660
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:18,109
read before we move on I had read this

661
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:19,670
is a few months ago and I did it as a

662
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:24,290
fader fact on the show then 80% of the

663
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:26,450
doctorate degrees in the United States

664
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:30,920
are fake oh I I believe it I believe it

665
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:34,040
here here's a fun fact along those lines

666
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:37,190
there was a faculty member in my college

667
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:39,260
at Boston University I mean we don't

668
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,700
like to advertise this but I'll say this

669
00:35:46,359 --> 00:35:43,760
here right and he was there he was there

670
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:46,369
I forget how many years and it turned

671
00:35:53,859 --> 00:35:49,790
out he did not have a PhD he had

672
00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:53,869
actually gone to a good university he

673
00:36:00,640 --> 00:35:57,830
had done a dissertation supposedly but

674
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,650
it turned out he had plagiarized a good

675
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,000
chunk of it

676
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:04,730
and he I can't remember if he didn't

677
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:06,710
have a PhD I think he actually got his

678
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:09,260
PhD and then they rescinded it oh

679
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:12,980
because of that right right yeah yeah

680
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:17,150
but it is very very common and I've been

681
00:36:22,089 --> 00:36:19,970
on a search kinase and whatnot that you

682
00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:22,099
get people you get applicants if you

683
00:36:26,589 --> 00:36:24,140
don't vet them properly people will put

684
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:26,599
on their application they have a PhD

685
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:29,330
from this or that place and you know

686
00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:32,420
it's not uncommon that you look into it

687
00:36:41,859 --> 00:36:34,550
and it's fake and then of course there's

688
00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:41,869
also the Diploma mill PhD and okay well

689
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:45,560
let me jump in really quick the I have

690
00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:49,030
gone to vet a few different people right

691
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:52,790
in this area without naming names and

692
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:56,240
let me tell you you cannot a university

693
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,970
you can't you can't prove or disprove it

694
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:00,800
a university will not release that

695
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:02,990
information to you you know who they

696
00:37:09,010 --> 00:37:06,170
release it to the person that whose name

697
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:09,020
it's under really but really I didn't

698
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:11,170
even know that I've never I've never

699
00:37:16,089 --> 00:37:13,730
personally worried about that but I do

700
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:16,099
know with it between universities you

701
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,250
can get the information right okay yeah

702
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:21,200
so that makes sense doesn't it because

703
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:22,910
you know one University is trying to

704
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:24,440
hire someone they want to know whether

705
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:25,700
it's real or not

706
00:37:30,339 --> 00:37:28,310
right right but a person on the street

707
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:30,349
and you want her you know and you want

708
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:31,910
to go and yes somebody's background and

709
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:33,260
they say that they have a doctor from

710
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:35,330
the University that's a clampdown you

711
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:37,030
can't you cannot get that information

712
00:37:42,339 --> 00:37:39,410
real eyes that cuz of course I'm still

713
00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:42,349
in academia right nice - I've been in

714
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:44,869
academia all my life and actually I want

715
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:47,390
to turn this to John Anthony West

716
00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:52,609
something that I honestly regret I'll

717
00:38:00,730 --> 00:37:56,260
say that way but it's not my fault

718
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:00,740
despite the fact that he was legendary

719
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:05,240
for despising universities and academia

720
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:08,150
and he of course used to turn quack

721
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:11,990
Adamic or the academics and you know

722
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:13,849
this is absolutely legendary anyone who

723
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:15,630
knows who knew John Anthony

724
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:19,920
absolutely uh and you know he was he

725
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,410
never called me academic I've gotta say

726
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:24,960
that he he always respected me but of

727
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:26,850
course we were on the same side but

728
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:29,430
something he actually would have liked

729
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:32,220
and he and I spoke about this and he

730
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:34,110
would joke about but I know he was

731
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:36,900
genuine about and I was hoping if he

732
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:39,300
lived long enough and we were totally

733
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,920
vindicated which I think we have been

734
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:43,680
totally vindicated as far as the Sphinx

735
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:46,830
and whatnot I want to get him a honorary

736
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:49,590
PhD which would be you know great for

737
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:52,110
him to thumb his nose at the co

738
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:54,810
academics including the ones as you say

739
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:57,570
that they actually don't have PhDs or

740
00:39:02,270 --> 00:38:59,400
people that claim they don't have PhDs

741
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:02,280
to have him recognized that way you know

742
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,850
maybe we should push some we should push

743
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:07,440
that you know that's that's another

744
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,060
discussion for another time I'd like a

745
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:11,820
posthumous yeah yeah would that be just

746
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:14,880
amazing yeah I would be but I was hoping

747
00:39:19,070 --> 00:39:16,770
you know of course I was hoping within

748
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:19,080
his lifetime I know but even

749
00:39:24,980 --> 00:39:22,950
posthumously it would be something we

750
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:24,990
pulled that off something is gonna fall

751
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:29,580
on your head in your office yeah the

752
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:32,250
problem is I actually don't know any

753
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:34,710
precedence off the top of my head for

754
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:36,810
doing it posthumously it's just like

755
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:38,430
Nobel Prizes they don't give them

756
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,500
posthumous way right right all right I

757
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:42,240
should look into that though that would

758
00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:43,530
be a lot of fun if we could pull that

759
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:45,840
off yeah that would be fun I mean nobody

760
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:48,450
is more deserving certainly than John

761
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:50,550
Anthony West well I was going to say

762
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:52,620
something and that's one reason that he

763
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:55,980
and I got along so well together and I

764
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,170
would say bonded almost immediately is

765
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:01,500
despite his facade despite what people

766
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:04,110
might think about him who don't know him

767
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:06,870
well he was an absolutely meticulous

768
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:10,080
scholar he could put the classic

769
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:13,260
academics to shame in terms of his

770
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:15,150
research his scholarship his

771
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:19,320
meticulousness so you know when he

772
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,310
called people out and and criticized

773
00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:26,160
them I'm talking about academics now he

774
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,350
knew what he was doing he he was coming

775
00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:29,280
from very straw

776
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:32,100
stance I wanted to do this I want to get

777
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:35,310
the sad solemn part out of this show out

778
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,260
of the way so let's go because we have

779
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,440
this sad solemn part right now I have to

780
00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:43,680
admit I'll be blunt he was right really

781
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,600
close friend we started out his

782
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,880
colleagues you I did hear the

783
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:49,560
introduction to your show and you were

784
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:51,540
wondering about when we first met that

785
00:41:01,570 --> 00:40:54,170
type of thing right it was back in the

786
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:01,580
1980s our serious collaboration began in

787
00:41:07,330 --> 00:41:04,230
1990 when he and I travelled to Egypt

788
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:07,340
together okay so that's when the series

789
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:10,320
collaboration began but I knew him

790
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:13,560
already at that point for some time we

791
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:18,960
first met in the 80s so and we really

792
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:21,330
actually we kind of long right away

793
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:23,070
there was there was just something there

794
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:26,130
I think we both saw something in the

795
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:30,870
other one that we realized it ya know he

796
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,790
had an actor there was a spark there at

797
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:35,520
night yeah he had that he had a knack

798
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:37,530
for that and if he didn't like you oh

799
00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:40,680
you knew it right away that too as well

800
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:44,340
well yeah yeah he was brutally honest

801
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,950
brutally blunt about things and he

802
00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:49,020
wasn't political about it most times I

803
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:50,550
mean he would I saw him in many

804
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:52,950
situations where he told someone exactly

805
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:55,830
what he thought of them are thought of

806
00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:58,440
their theory or whatever it might be

807
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:01,470
even to the point would that look this

808
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:04,980
guy's hosting us he just paid our way

809
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:08,250
here to see his whatever you know

810
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:11,160
couldn't you'd like put it a little bit

811
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:15,510
softer terms without being dishonest no

812
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,370
that was NatWest he was just

813
00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:19,260
straightforward and got to the point

814
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:24,120
last week when the news had broke about

815
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:27,660
his passing I reached out to you I

816
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:31,410
didn't want to say anything until I got

817
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,700
an official confirmation and I I had

818
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,500
nobody else to call but you I called the

819
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:38,760
family but I couldn't get through

820
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:41,310
understandably so understandably

821
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:45,330
and so I called you and I didn't the

822
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,950
Internet has a way of spreading room and

823
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:48,960
I didn't want to be part of any anything

824
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,570
like that so I called you and tell if

825
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:56,220
you can just for a second

826
00:43:02,000 --> 00:42:59,370
share with this at that moment when when

827
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,010
you got the news and and and what is

828
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:04,160
passing meant to you

829
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,250
well I cried yeah now be blunt I cried

830
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:10,680
and I cried been crying this is a sad

831
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:12,390
part you didn't I know you want to be

832
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:15,570
uplifting no let's get died Robert yeah

833
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:18,510
but I mean he was a really close friend

834
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:21,990
he was and many many levels my closest

835
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:23,970
friend I would say even though we were a

836
00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:25,770
generation apart you know he was the

837
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:27,600
same my father is still life he's the

838
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,090
same like I say I'm still saying he's

839
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:32,640
the same he was the same age I'm still

840
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:37,170
not quite you know has it's not fully

841
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:40,290
sank in I think it takes time for four

842
00:43:45,110 --> 00:43:43,770
to realize that someone's gone and no I

843
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:45,120
think going up and down it's been a

844
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,730
rollercoaster for me ya know I I'll be

845
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:50,460
honest I've I've I've shed a lot of

846
00:43:58,310 --> 00:43:54,810
tears over this and and everybody has

847
00:44:00,350 --> 00:43:58,320
and and they're you know what although

848
00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:00,360
he wouldn't well he would know that

849
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:02,580
people are doing this but he would also

850
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:04,740
he wouldn't he wouldn't want it he want

851
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,700
to he'd I can hear him you know hiding

852
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,560
me for like what's the hell are you

853
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:12,780
doing shock you know you don't need to

854
00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:16,980
cry right no I can hear that but I still

855
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:19,350
feel bad he would be using the word hell

856
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:22,290
either so what he wouldn't be using the

857
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:25,050
word hell it would be another I would be

858
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:28,470
nastier I've toned it down because I

859
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:30,390
never could speak the way he did

860
00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:33,750
it's just not my nature that was strong

861
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:37,620
for me um and and just as a side comment

862
00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:41,520
just for as we talk here a lot of people

863
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:44,760
called him John our jaws or jaw or

864
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:46,950
whatever just so you know cuz I'll

865
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:49,650
probably revert to it I always called

866
00:44:55,350 --> 00:44:52,830
him West and he always called me shock

867
00:44:58,350 --> 00:44:55,360
yes it was it was Weston

868
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,360
between us once in a while I might refer

869
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:00,660
to him as John you know when we were in

870
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:05,050
company or you know where other people

871
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:06,910
were around but even then I usually I

872
00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:10,450
think referred to miss West and I don't

873
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:12,550
remember a single time he ever called me

874
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:14,410
Robert no and all of my conversations

875
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:18,070
with him about you you always shocked

876
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:20,680
yeah exactly I'm a doctor lees West

877
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:23,710
that's how it always was well how jaws

878
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:25,180
came about let me tell you how that

879
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:26,410
happened

880
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:31,570
well yes exactly

881
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:34,690
John Anthony it was a jaws Sphinx right

882
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,570
yeah JW which are his initials John

883
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Anthony West Bank just think god Josh

884
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:44,410
and so that I picked up on that and one

885
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:47,710
day we were on a phone call and I was I

886
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,050
had something open in front of me which

887
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:51,520
had his email him and I were sitting

888
00:45:57,330 --> 00:45:53,980
here talking and then go jaws listen and

889
00:45:59,940 --> 00:45:57,340
it was only because I was reading his

890
00:46:03,060 --> 00:45:59,950
email and he laughed and he goes wow

891
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:03,070
that kind of yeah that works right and

892
00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:05,710
it worked it has a ring to it right and

893
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,630
so that's how that started I said you

894
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:09,760
know what men your jaws from now on and

895
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:11,230
he just laughed because I'm good with

896
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,440
that

897
00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:14,560
yeah it's great a couple is great but

898
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:17,620
what's going further back of course he

899
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:19,120
and I were referring to each other as

900
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:21,910
Western shock I mean literally from the

901
00:46:27,810 --> 00:46:24,910
day we met he had said to me he goes you

902
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,820
know now if somebody had sent me an

903
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:30,160
email which I had read to him and it

904
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:33,430
said Jimmy you're calling jaws

905
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:35,470
John Anthony was jaws during a

906
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,040
conversation it is immense disrespect so

907
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:41,440
I read the email to John and I'm not

908
00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:42,820
going to tell you what he said but it

909
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:47,560
was bleep that person man yes call me

910
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:50,830
jaws and and so he was jaws to us ever

911
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:53,530
since and and so that's where that came

912
00:47:01,260 --> 00:46:58,650
from it was just me absent mindedly

913
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,270
responding to his phone call and I jaws

914
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:03,520
came out of my mouth and he's been jaws

915
00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:05,800
ever since to us and there he goes so

916
00:47:08,849 --> 00:47:07,720
that's where that came from so yeah you

917
00:47:11,849 --> 00:47:08,859
I think

918
00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:11,859
like that he liked it ya know just

919
00:47:17,489 --> 00:47:13,660
unique I mean who else is called that

920
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:17,499
and also it has a certain I don't know I

921
00:47:21,450 --> 00:47:19,900
mean it kind if you really think about

922
00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:21,460
it's not only his initials but serve

923
00:47:25,769 --> 00:47:24,039
conjures up things it's a good it's a

924
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:25,779
good adviser

925
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:28,180
have you seen I'm gonna send this to you

926
00:47:34,229 --> 00:47:30,390
there's this meme going around right now

927
00:47:37,249 --> 00:47:34,239
with John's picture on the jaws poster

928
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:37,259
so his face is replacing the shark oh

929
00:47:40,769 --> 00:47:38,710
yeah

930
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:40,779
just thinking of something like that

931
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:42,970
yeah and then oh yeah oh you have to

932
00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:44,680
send that to me send to my email I'm

933
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:45,999
gonna do it right now

934
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:49,210
Reda send it send it to Roberts email

935
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,630
would you and it's a mate but the you

936
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:54,400
know the girl at the top that the shark

937
00:48:04,019 --> 00:47:57,430
is about to bite yeah her face has been

938
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:04,029
replaced with the Sphinx head absolutely

939
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,710
awesome okay let's do that I want to

940
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:08,319
start here alright let's just start

941
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:14,200
right here what is the the one personal

942
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:16,210
not the one that may be too personal but

943
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:18,730
what's the one thing about that about

944
00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:22,720
John that only you know that you can

945
00:48:28,589 --> 00:48:24,039
share with us right now

946
00:48:31,319 --> 00:48:28,599
what only I know I mean I try a lot of

947
00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:31,329
things that only I know and I don't know

948
00:48:39,269 --> 00:48:37,420
that I'd wasn't I know though I don't

949
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:39,279
know that's that's a tough one because

950
00:48:42,809 --> 00:48:41,140
not only you try and make me think of

951
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:42,819
something only I know but then you want

952
00:48:48,539 --> 00:48:46,380
me to tell everybody our world

953
00:48:51,229 --> 00:48:48,549
he always made me laugh

954
00:49:00,089 --> 00:48:51,239
and what did he do to make you laugh

955
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:00,099
what did he do to make me laugh I mean

956
00:49:05,279 --> 00:49:02,380
we had so many things where we like he

957
00:49:08,099 --> 00:49:05,289
had this you know incredible sense of

958
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:08,109
humor I mean he really was a humorous

959
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,590
and satire

960
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:12,960
and I would you know be all serious

961
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,090
about things that whether it's doing

962
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:17,700
geology zenus he used to call it or

963
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:19,950
something else and then he would just

964
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:23,450
make these very dry comments sometimes

965
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:28,500
that would you know were hysterical in

966
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:31,290
hindsight but what was really bad or

967
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:32,790
interesting is I did always get them

968
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:36,450
right and then he would think that was

969
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:42,060
very funny yeah it's for me there was uh

970
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,610
okay maybe I'll stir your memory by it

971
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:46,740
you stir my memory but I gotta think of

972
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,780
things I'm gonna say I'm here - okay

973
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:50,960
then oh that's fine and you know what

974
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:53,370
there's nothing that he wouldn't say

975
00:49:57,110 --> 00:49:55,800
yeah well okay that's cool I mean yeah

976
00:49:59,330 --> 00:49:57,120
that's probably true it would really

977
00:50:03,860 --> 00:49:59,340
have to go pretty far for him to be

978
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:03,870
offended but is this during the our

979
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:07,620
first interview the very first time

980
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:10,170
leading up to the show which was really

981
00:50:13,460 --> 00:50:11,700
really cool just like you were just

982
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:13,470
saying we bonded out of the gate right

983
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:15,420
so we have this this thing and we just

984
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:18,090
got each other our personalities matched

985
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:23,550
right so we we talked and I couldn't I

986
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:27,300
couldn't get him off of the phone and it

987
00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:29,910
was a really funny situation where he

988
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:33,600
was constantly calling me with with

989
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:37,200
other ideas and when he gets you on the

990
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:41,640
phone it's a difficult thing to get him

991
00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:44,940
off of the phone he loves to just create

992
00:50:49,850 --> 00:50:47,070
and talk and talk about history and

993
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:49,860
things so we we talked him we talked and

994
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:52,020
we talked now leading up to that now so

995
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:54,630
because of all of that he was so excited

996
00:51:01,760 --> 00:50:57,690
about coming on the show and he had said

997
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:01,770
to me that night that day I said okay

998
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:04,500
we're gonna do two hours and then it

999
00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:07,350
goes two hours I can't get things done

1000
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:09,630
in two hours I'm just getting warmed up

1001
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:11,850
I said how about two and a half he goes

1002
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,410
how long is the show I said three

1003
00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:17,040
because I want all three that's typical

1004
00:51:20,839 --> 00:51:19,620
that was so difficult yeah yeah it said

1005
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:20,849
okay all right you

1006
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,910
man three hours down now now did you

1007
00:51:29,509 --> 00:51:26,400
have to come off at three hours yeah no

1008
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:29,519
there I do believe I went over with him

1009
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,859
a couple of times I was going to say

1010
00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:34,380
because I I have had many times at

1011
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:37,229
conferences and whatnot we're literally

1012
00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,200
he goes you know he was supposed to

1013
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,599
speak for an hour say two and a half

1014
00:51:47,989 --> 00:51:45,599
hours later they're really trying to get

1015
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:47,999
him off the stage because other people

1016
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:51,359
have to speak and whatnot and I've seen

1017
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:53,579
some cases where you know the moderator

1018
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:55,890
or the organizer goes up trying to pull

1019
00:52:00,769 --> 00:51:58,859
him off and that audience is going on

1020
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:00,779
and on that don't leave him that we want

1021
00:52:06,229 --> 00:52:04,680
to hear him etc right anyway he was

1022
00:52:07,969 --> 00:52:06,239
incredible that way but yeah once you

1023
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:07,979
got him started he liked he liked to

1024
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,140
talk and he the thing is he had a lot to

1025
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:12,720
say he always had a lot to say and so

1026
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:15,930
this is what he did to me so about an

1027
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,859
hour and a half into the show we're

1028
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:21,900
doing our thing and I hear in the

1029
00:52:32,029 --> 00:52:27,180
background ice tinkling in a glass right

1030
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:32,039
and and this goes on for about 10

1031
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:36,930
minutes and and I'm thinking he's

1032
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:41,630
drinking right and so I said I said it

1033
00:52:50,029 --> 00:52:45,660
said what are you drinking he goes vodka

1034
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,039
I said on the show of course man and I

1035
00:52:57,739 --> 00:52:53,339
said okay I believe I whipped out some

1036
00:53:01,940 --> 00:52:57,749
vodka too and and we we continued the

1037
00:53:03,979 --> 00:53:01,950
show that way but that was him he

1038
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:03,989
doesn't care he doesn't care what people

1039
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,920
what no he loved his vodka when okay so

1040
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,420
here and you're making me think of

1041
00:53:12,709 --> 00:53:11,339
things that maybe most people wouldn't

1042
00:53:14,539 --> 00:53:12,719
know I don't know if it's something only

1043
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,549
I know it's certainly not something only

1044
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:16,680
I know but when we would travel for

1045
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,170
instance we would travel he liked his

1046
00:53:24,289 --> 00:53:21,839
vodka and he didn't like just any vodka

1047
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,299
he has certain vodkas he'd liked and

1048
00:53:29,029 --> 00:53:26,579
didn't like blah blah blah and not all

1049
00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:29,039
that because the same he taught me to

1050
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:32,219
appreciate vodka maybe somewhat to my

1051
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,010
detriment but I couldn't

1052
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,440
ever drink the way he drinks I mean I

1053
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:39,420
would literally tell him and it's true

1054
00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:44,460
if I tried to drink it you know he were

1055
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:46,680
close to what he could handle it would

1056
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:50,400
literally kill me would put me under but

1057
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:52,680
we would travel was so when we traveled

1058
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:55,310
and I think this is no disrespect to him

1059
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,410
when we would travel we'd land somewhere

1060
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:00,900
and the first thing we do you know in

1061
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,440
the airport is we had to you know get a

1062
00:54:09,050 --> 00:54:06,420
few liters of vodka depending on how

1063
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:09,060
long this day was and sometimes you know

1064
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:11,640
you could only buy so many bottles per

1065
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,130
person so I'd have to make sure I bought

1066
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:16,440
some under my passport he'd have to get

1067
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:19,830
some under his passport just to make

1068
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:22,530
sure that we had enough and then another

1069
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:26,040
vodka story we went to gobekli tepe I

1070
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,630
know you like Quebec wait up oh right

1071
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,480
absolutely so this is our first trip

1072
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:33,180
John West and I and Katie was there to

1073
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:36,330
my wife for those you know Katie of

1074
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:37,950
course before those people who don't

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00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:40,890
know who Katie is Kathryn Ulysse my wife

1076
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:44,250
the three of us traveled with a friend

1077
00:54:52,850 --> 00:54:48,690
who is Turkish mutual friend we went to

1078
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:52,860
Turkey this is in 2010 because we all

1079
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,130
want to go visit gobekli tepe it ties in

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00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:58,800
with the research etc so we fly to

1081
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:01,800
Turkey we go into Istanbul to Gaza on

1082
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:04,530
tap we have a car it's night we're

1083
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:08,370
driving from Ghazi on tap to earth the

1084
00:55:18,260 --> 00:55:13,260
car breaks down it's you know the

1085
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:18,270
nighttime super dark the the myself and

1086
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:21,510
our driver and our mutual friend who's

1087
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:24,210
traveling with us we're trying to figure

1088
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:26,930
out what's wrong with the car etc etc

1089
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:29,400
john west he wasn't so worried about

1090
00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:32,820
that he pulls out his big bottle of 100

1091
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:36,300
proof vodka we just got in and just

1092
00:55:41,090 --> 00:55:39,630
takes it and relaxes well we figure out

1093
00:55:43,070 --> 00:55:41,100
what's going on eventually we got

1094
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:43,080
everything sorted out and got back got

1095
00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:45,390
to Eartha and saga Beckley tough day the

1096
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,790
next day or whatever but he was just

1097
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:48,480
called

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00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:52,619
relaxed had a vodka everything was fine

1099
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:56,040
was that when the famous Herman picture

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00:56:01,819 --> 00:55:59,700
was taken with yourself yeah yeah well

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00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:01,829
there's several earth man pictures with

1102
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,859
myself but certainly one of them is from

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00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:06,359
that trip yeah

1104
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:07,980
really quick we're gonna be headed

1105
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:10,440
towards a break right here and I wanted

1106
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:14,640
to know if the GoFundMe is still up and

1107
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:16,710
do we you know do we still need to get

1108
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,570
that out there for him yeah they said go

1109
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:21,359
fundly that's up I think there's

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00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:23,490
actually two different versions of it

1111
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:25,410
but as far as I know yeah they're

1112
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:28,530
they're still they're still active and

1113
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:31,530
it's the one from the family the correct

1114
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:34,140
okay correct there's I think a fund LIGO

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00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,190
fund Lee and then a go fund Lee Panama

1116
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:40,500
because at the very end they were hoping

1117
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:44,400
that everyone was hoping that the cancer

1118
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:48,150
was being beaten if we could put it that

1119
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:50,310
way that the cancer is being overcome

1120
00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:54,089
but his body was so weak and they want

1121
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,000
to maybe try some stem-cell regenerative

1122
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:02,240
therapy that type of thing right like

1123
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:04,440
ultimately you know his body couldn't

1124
00:57:10,099 --> 00:57:08,339
take it and he let go well we'll we'll

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00:57:13,309 --> 00:57:10,109
continue this in a second and we will

1126
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:13,319
also get the correct links up there for

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00:57:17,780 --> 00:57:15,150
a GoFundMe in the meantime let's take a

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00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:17,790
quick break and when we come back we'll

1129
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,119
continue the life and times of the one

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00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:23,640
and only John Anthony West with our

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00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:26,730
guests dr. Robert Schoch this is fade to

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00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:28,650
black I'm your host Jimmy Church it's

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00:57:32,809 --> 00:57:30,390
gonna be a great night tonight at the

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bottom of the hour chants Gardner is

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going to be here live from Australia

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this is fade to black I'm arrows Jimmy

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00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:38,880
turn she can follow me on twitter @ JT

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00:57:43,819 --> 00:57:41,940
radio you can follow dr. Schaack or do

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00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,829
we have dr. shocks linked up we'll get

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:46,079
that up on Twitter in just a bit

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[Music]

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01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:45,180
welcome back favorite block I'm here

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:47,640
Jimmy Church or guest tonight dr. Robert

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01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:52,530
Schoch and our tribute to the one and

1209
01:01:57,859 --> 01:01:55,020
only John Anthony West who left this

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01:02:00,349 --> 01:01:57,869
planet last week and I'm sure he's up

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01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,359
there right now just going you guys

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01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:03,119
better bring it big don't be playing

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01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:05,040
around and don't go soft so we're not

1214
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:07,980
gonna do that tonight dr. Schaack let's

1215
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:09,410
do this

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01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:16,770
Ibiza Ibiza now oh yeah I loved it there

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01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:19,619
he also spoke about that before we get

1218
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:21,000
to that I wish is thinking about

1219
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:23,190
something else if I could mention sure

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01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:26,250
yeah you know we were colleagues and

1221
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,670
arms we were fighting the establishment

1222
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:31,520
I mean yes we're still carrying that on

1223
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:36,420
and in the big you know who brought you

1224
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:39,930
know who I can't talk you know all the

1225
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,060
all the commotion and all the stuff

1226
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:44,700
about this Fink's and the Egyptologists

1227
01:02:51,130 --> 01:02:48,270
were attacking us and he relished things

1228
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:51,140
like you know for instance he told one

1229
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:54,330
Egyptologist that her opinion of the

1230
01:02:59,900 --> 01:02:56,490
geology of the Sphinx was no better than

1231
01:03:03,620 --> 01:02:59,910
that of a proctologist and that didn't

1232
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:03,630
exactly help smooth out the situation

1233
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:06,570
and she went after me because she

1234
01:03:14,349 --> 01:03:09,410
happened to be at Boston University and

1235
01:03:17,570 --> 01:03:14,359
tried to get me fired but I was tenured

1236
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:17,580
fortunately etc etc and I mean it

1237
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:21,720
it was rough for me and you know being

1238
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:25,260
in academia I had to live with these

1239
01:03:31,339 --> 01:03:29,490
people and I didn't want all this hubbub

1240
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:31,349
I'll put it that way I didn't want to be

1241
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:33,240
attacked all the time I didn't want to

1242
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:37,290
go to Christmas parties and they call

1243
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:38,700
holiday parties I guess at the

1244
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:40,740
University and have people come up and

1245
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:43,130
spit in my face virtually I mean

1246
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,680
literally and I talked to West about

1247
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:48,599
this and saying look at all this trouble

1248
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:50,730
you're causing mean you've ruined my

1249
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,570
life he was just black and he

1250
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:56,940
at all I mean he thought it was great

1251
01:04:01,790 --> 01:04:00,000
now he was not in academia so he was

1252
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:01,800
looking at from a bit of a different

1253
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:05,280
perspective right I made him laugh with

1254
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:08,460
quite a bit when he would well let me

1255
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:11,400
ask you this we have to talk about a

1256
01:04:16,790 --> 01:04:14,280
visa because his story he said that he

1257
01:04:20,690 --> 01:04:16,800
adored abhi so he of course lived there

1258
01:04:24,260 --> 01:04:20,700
that's where he wrote Osborne's army his

1259
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,270
novel novel well we'll get to Ibiza in a

1260
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:26,400
second I want to I want to jump back he

1261
01:04:32,060 --> 01:04:28,740
just reminded me of something you guys

1262
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:32,070
met you at that time you weren't tenured

1263
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:34,410
yet and he wanted to make you wanted to

1264
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,940
wait til that happened before you guys

1265
01:04:41,090 --> 01:04:38,160
went oh absolutely yeah I wasn't stupid

1266
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,100
he respected that he was frustrated but

1267
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:44,160
respect at that but did but but that

1268
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,020
that's not my question Robert this is

1269
01:04:54,740 --> 01:04:48,960
yeah yeah this is my question you were

1270
01:04:58,580 --> 01:04:54,750
the young kid at that time and he was it

1271
01:05:05,420 --> 01:04:58,590
you know older than did you ever grow

1272
01:05:09,350 --> 01:05:05,430
out of being the kid in his eyes yes and

1273
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:09,360
no right he always he always no no he

1274
01:05:16,610 --> 01:05:13,140
always from day one respected me that I

1275
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:16,620
had credentials that I had even when we

1276
01:05:23,660 --> 01:05:19,910
first met I'll be crude a long CV and

1277
01:05:26,980 --> 01:05:23,670
publications and that type of thing but

1278
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:26,990
I was always of course you know a

1279
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:30,660
generation younger so right and that

1280
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:34,410
didn't bother me and I always felt I was

1281
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:36,810
learning from him I always felt that we

1282
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:38,910
he was he learned from me too I mean he

1283
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:40,710
admitted that he I taught him a lot of

1284
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:43,530
geology and other things right and and

1285
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:45,510
he realized and this was something that

1286
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:47,930
was wonderful to when I would point out

1287
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:51,870
mistakes he made say in the realm of

1288
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:53,700
geology at the beginning because he had

1289
01:05:59,300 --> 01:05:56,280
had some theories about how this things

1290
01:06:02,450 --> 01:05:59,310
was eroded and that type of thing based

1291
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:02,460
on his limited knowledge of geology and

1292
01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:04,920
I pointed out mistakes he made which

1293
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:08,190
weren't fatal at all in fact the proper

1294
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,079
geological interpretation reinforced the

1295
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:14,880
antiquity of the Sphinx so there was

1296
01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:18,329
always that give-and-take back and forth

1297
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:22,950
but I never want to you know serve usurp

1298
01:06:29,450 --> 01:06:27,420
his position as the senior senior person

1299
01:06:31,099 --> 01:06:29,460
should we say yeah and it's kind of that

1300
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:31,109
makes sense I mean wait

1301
01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:34,530
he never disrespected me he always you

1302
01:06:40,339 --> 01:06:37,069
know it was an interesting relationship

1303
01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:40,349
in that sense from my perspective I mean

1304
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,190
we were very very close friends but yes

1305
01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:47,280
he was the senior person and in age and

1306
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:49,470
experience yeah it's hard to break out

1307
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:54,240
of of that relate that that that part of

1308
01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:57,930
it because you're younger he's he's

1309
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,359
older and you're never gonna be the same

1310
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,920
age right that's right

1311
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:03,839
but it was never a problem that's why I

1312
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:06,210
want to stress not only was it never a

1313
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:09,690
problem I think it actually reinforced

1314
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:12,990
our bond and friendship now if that

1315
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:13,650
makes sense

1316
01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:16,710
it does it does now Ibiza now this is

1317
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:20,900
the thing I I look at jaws and when I

1318
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:26,430
hear John speak about of his time in

1319
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:32,609
Ibiza he bisa is a Bach and all free

1320
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:36,450
form free spirit leave your clothes at

1321
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:40,020
the door it's a good place where you can

1322
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:42,089
do whatever you want whatever your

1323
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:45,660
desires are you can do that there and it

1324
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:48,750
allows you to hopefully find your bliss

1325
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:51,990
find your inner soul and you can expand

1326
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:54,180
the way the direction that you want to

1327
01:08:02,120 --> 01:07:57,450
go into the perfect place for a guy like

1328
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:02,130
jaws he found himself there Henry that

1329
01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:05,010
freedom didn't he yeah he did and he

1330
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:08,430
found a couple things he well he was a

1331
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,730
writer before he got there he often like

1332
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,640
to talk about how he actually became a

1333
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:16,920
writer when he has first short story

1334
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:20,080
published and this was a late 1950s

1335
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,510
and it was sort of the equivalent of

1336
01:08:26,490 --> 01:08:24,880
when not for me we talked about this

1337
01:08:29,010 --> 01:08:26,500
back and forth was served the equivalent

1338
01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:29,020
of when I got my PhD when he first had

1339
01:08:36,599 --> 01:08:32,230
his genuine publication he was a

1340
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:36,609
published writer he went to bisa he was

1341
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:39,010
part of and I hate to use this term by

1342
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:40,900
using in a complementary sense he was

1343
01:08:45,599 --> 01:08:42,580
part of the Beat Generation link comes

1344
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:45,609
right down to it right but that was a

1345
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:49,330
very intellectual generation yes there

1346
01:08:54,780 --> 01:08:52,359
was everything you said but they were

1347
01:08:57,329 --> 01:08:54,790
also serious about things and he was

1348
01:09:00,270 --> 01:08:57,339
serious about his writing he was serious

1349
01:09:04,020 --> 01:09:00,280
about his art and it was there that he

1350
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:04,030
first became involved in choix Lorsch

1351
01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:07,930
Waller de Lubitsch and the symbolist

1352
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:10,780
school of Egypt as it's often referred

1353
01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:15,190
to it was there that he got to know his

1354
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:19,750
friend the Dutch writer yeah yeah yeah

1355
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:23,530
and and they wrote the case for

1356
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:27,850
astrology together which came out I want

1357
01:09:33,710 --> 01:09:29,140
to say off the top of my head the first

1358
01:09:38,310 --> 01:09:33,720
edition was about 1970 or so that was

1359
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:38,320
totally revised by West 20 years later

1360
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:40,900
and came out in the Edition that most

1361
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:43,990
people would know now just under his own

1362
01:09:48,180 --> 01:09:44,980
name

1363
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,190
not co-authored the base for astrology

1364
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:50,560
which is an interesting book and it gets

1365
01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:53,230
back to Ibiza because people sometimes

1366
01:09:57,420 --> 01:09:55,420
think about or they they heard of it and

1367
01:10:00,780 --> 01:09:57,430
they think this is some kind of woowoo

1368
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:00,790
new age book on astrology and all that

1369
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:03,070
no it's actually a very very very

1370
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:05,790
different type of book it's really more

1371
01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:10,450
about and I'm thinking now reverting to

1372
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:11,980
being academic it's really more about

1373
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:15,370
philosophy of science and what is

1374
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:19,090
evidence what is not evidence and guess

1375
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:21,940
he uses astrology as a case where you

1376
01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:25,690
have real evidence for at least some

1377
01:10:32,730 --> 01:10:30,220
aspects of astrology now he makes that

1378
01:10:33,339 --> 01:10:32,740
argument but he covers so much more in

1379
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:33,349
the book

1380
01:10:41,229 --> 01:10:39,230
and knowing John as we do now can you

1381
01:10:41,979 --> 01:10:41,239
imagine I want you to answer this

1382
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:41,989
honestly

1383
01:10:48,490 --> 01:10:45,550
could you imagine hanging out with John

1384
01:10:51,879 --> 01:10:48,500
for a couple of nights in Ibiza back

1385
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:51,889
then and and doing it correctly you know

1386
01:10:57,879 --> 01:10:55,250
you know a couple of bars that don't

1387
01:11:00,160 --> 01:10:57,889
open I would have loved have been all to

1388
01:11:01,689 --> 01:11:00,170
do that you know I would have loved

1389
01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:01,699
because of course I didn't know him back

1390
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:04,340
then and in fact I was just a little kid

1391
01:11:12,129 --> 01:11:08,960
was he he's there but yeah it must have

1392
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,139
been unbelievable because they would

1393
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:14,480
have these parties as he related to me

1394
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:17,840
his I think his house where he lived was

1395
01:11:24,939 --> 01:11:22,489
known as rum place right and and you

1396
01:11:27,129 --> 01:11:24,949
know they what party hard but they would

1397
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:27,139
think hard to they would I mean so there

1398
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:31,360
was this combination of seriousness and

1399
01:11:37,569 --> 01:11:34,820
totally dereliction if I could use that

1400
01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:37,579
term right and actually talking to him

1401
01:11:44,379 --> 01:11:39,500
and now that you make me think about it

1402
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:44,389
it reminds me of what I saw at Yale as a

1403
01:11:50,859 --> 01:11:47,570
graduate student where I was with a

1404
01:11:52,689 --> 01:11:50,869
bunch of graduate students in except for

1405
01:11:56,290 --> 01:11:52,699
me of course we were doing the same

1406
01:12:00,609 --> 01:11:56,300
thing where we would work hard you know

1407
01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:00,619
really work hard intellectually and we'd

1408
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:04,070
also let loose well and that pressure

1409
01:12:11,709 --> 01:12:07,130
valve going off and so so it was a very

1410
01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:11,719
III mean you know Heba moaned when you

1411
01:12:15,850 --> 01:12:13,670
know you had the quote hippie types

1412
01:12:18,189 --> 01:12:15,860
coming in and I don't want to put words

1413
01:12:19,899 --> 01:12:18,199
as mouth so much but you know the hippie

1414
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:19,909
types coming in and though they're just

1415
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:21,530
doing nothing they're not they don't

1416
01:12:26,530 --> 01:12:24,170
have that serious aspect yes okay to

1417
01:12:30,010 --> 01:12:26,540
party hard but you also have that have

1418
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:30,020
to have that serious aspect you don't

1419
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:33,260
just party we also accomplish things

1420
01:12:40,089 --> 01:12:36,320
when the when the when the doo doo

1421
01:12:41,979 --> 01:12:40,099
started to hit the fan when the the TV

1422
01:12:44,260 --> 01:12:41,989
show was released the mystery of the

1423
01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:44,270
Sphinx oh yeah 1993

1424
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:46,790
yeah 1990 it all hit the fan it

1425
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:48,530
hit the fan you had the geology

1426
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:51,710
conference that was in San Diego

1427
01:12:58,270 --> 01:12:54,050
Dean here's here's a good example that

1428
01:13:01,330 --> 01:12:58,280
was he wasn't to use the old fashioned

1429
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:01,340
cliche he was in hog heaven right with

1430
01:13:08,380 --> 01:13:04,490
all that I was in the most serious

1431
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:08,390
depression I was the one that was being

1432
01:13:12,250 --> 01:13:10,250
attacked well he was being attacked too

1433
01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:12,260
but I was the front person for being

1434
01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:14,630
attacked because who are the academics

1435
01:13:18,490 --> 01:13:16,070
going to go after they don't care that

1436
01:13:20,980 --> 01:13:18,500
much about Wes he's just a sideshow I'm

1437
01:13:23,890 --> 01:13:20,990
the one that you know they're trying to

1438
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:23,900
get rid of now the fate or not and he

1439
01:13:29,650 --> 01:13:26,750
loved it he he relished that whole thing

1440
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:29,660
they relish my position too he would

1441
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,330
joke to me about it that I thought was I

1442
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:34,640
just think was a joking matter

1443
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:37,040
I mean we can laugh about now but I

1444
01:13:42,580 --> 01:13:39,290
wasn't laughing back then okay we've

1445
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:42,590
just got a petition started just to let

1446
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:45,770
you know the fader knots have started a

1447
01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:49,280
petition at high petitions calm for John

1448
01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:55,340
Anthony West to get a PhD posthumous PhD

1449
01:13:59,260 --> 01:13:57,470
grade I was a great we've got it right

1450
01:14:01,330 --> 01:13:59,270
here we're gonna start the distribution

1451
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:01,340
on this I'll send it over to you and and

1452
01:14:05,380 --> 01:14:03,650
this is really cool so we're gonna get

1453
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:05,390
this out there right now and see this

1454
01:14:10,270 --> 01:14:08,120
audience is the best right yeah I didn't

1455
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:10,280
take long no that didn't take long at

1456
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,130
all I was going to say I do talk about

1457
01:14:17,890 --> 01:14:14,960
some of this if people want to read more

1458
01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:17,900
about in my various books specially

1459
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,900
forgotten civilization and have some

1460
01:14:24,490 --> 01:14:22,400
pictures there too and plus I think

1461
01:14:27,090 --> 01:14:24,500
you've got a link to my website I viewed

1462
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:27,100
something much more serious

1463
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:31,730
but I put something in on earth West on

1464
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:33,770
my website I'll be putting more on in

1465
01:14:38,650 --> 01:14:35,690
the future yeah we've got those links up

1466
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:38,660
and we'll get it going throughout the

1467
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:42,050
night here but the piece the piece was

1468
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:44,390
from the heart and the images too as

1469
01:14:52,210 --> 01:14:49,670
well were just really stir stir the soul

1470
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:52,220
and it's a really you know that's very

1471
01:14:59,230 --> 01:14:55,930
personal and thank you for doing that

1472
01:15:00,669 --> 01:14:59,240
that means a lot to me like I said I

1473
01:15:04,750 --> 01:15:00,679
know you want to keep this

1474
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:04,760
on the lighter side but well we were

1475
01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:07,130
close we were close and I would be lying

1476
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:09,260
if I didn't say that you know I've

1477
01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:12,170
really it's been it's been hitting me

1478
01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:15,590
hard and but it's cathartic to talk

1479
01:15:21,370 --> 01:15:19,190
about it is but but okay so let's go

1480
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:21,380
back I want your comment there I thought

1481
01:15:29,229 --> 01:15:25,030
it was absolutely hilarious you

1482
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:29,239
ninety-three stress case right oh it was

1483
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:32,570
bad for me and it was wonderful for him

1484
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:36,530
John I can only imagine his happiness

1485
01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:38,630
did he have to talk you off of the cliff

1486
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:42,199
oh yeah he actually did he actually did

1487
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:47,360
I mean I was I was so I was so stressed

1488
01:15:55,330 --> 01:15:51,830
out over it when you talk off the cliff

1489
01:15:58,510 --> 01:15:55,340
I I'll be blunt I mean I wasn't trying I

1490
01:16:01,180 --> 01:15:58,520
wasn't going commit suicide over it but

1491
01:16:05,530 --> 01:16:01,190
on the other hand I've threatened to

1492
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:05,540
walk away from all of it I we we had it

1493
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:07,489
out and that says I wouldn't say we had

1494
01:16:16,419 --> 01:16:11,570
out it was never nasty or vicious it was

1495
01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:16,429
friends you know hashing it out right

1496
01:16:22,570 --> 01:16:20,840
and I at one point I just wanted to walk

1497
01:16:24,610 --> 01:16:22,580
away from all of it I didn't want

1498
01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:24,620
anything to do with all this stuff and

1499
01:16:30,130 --> 01:16:27,860
he he said to me something to the effect

1500
01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:30,140
I can't you know this is a paraphrase

1501
01:16:35,709 --> 01:16:33,350
but basically he's a shock look you know

1502
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:35,719
what the evidence is you know this is

1503
01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:36,320
right

1504
01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:38,420
are you just going to turn you know let

1505
01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:40,790
them win and turn your back on all of

1506
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:42,590
this you know something to that effect

1507
01:16:49,899 --> 01:16:48,050
because the evidence is good and I got

1508
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:49,909
kicked out if I did hear the beginning

1509
01:16:57,550 --> 01:16:52,190
you were mentioning Galileo and Galileo

1510
01:16:59,649 --> 01:16:57,560
was it today that he was the day yeah

1511
01:17:01,209 --> 01:16:59,659
yeah and that's what they want to do me

1512
01:17:03,340 --> 01:17:01,219
and again I'm not trying to compare

1513
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:03,350
myself to someone like Galileo but it's

1514
01:17:10,030 --> 01:17:06,290
surviving isn't it we have we're having

1515
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:10,040
this conversation now and you know they

1516
01:17:14,610 --> 01:17:12,290
really were going after me and I wasn't

1517
01:17:18,810 --> 01:17:14,620
liking it and I wanted to reach

1518
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:18,820
and to use the Galileo analogy or at

1519
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:20,620
least just walk away from it and go

1520
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:25,450
quietly off into my own field and they

1521
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,070
would have been happy with that okay we

1522
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:28,960
won't hear from Jacques again let him go

1523
01:17:36,030 --> 01:17:32,110
back to his specialty of Eocene mammal

1524
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:36,040
fossils and published papers once again

1525
01:17:41,610 --> 01:17:39,130
that are absolutely excellent papers

1526
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:41,620
from an academic point of view and have

1527
01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:44,500
a readership of six people other six

1528
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:46,540
other specialists in the field that type

1529
01:17:50,670 --> 01:17:49,150
of thing and in West said to me are you

1530
01:17:52,380 --> 01:17:50,680
really going to do there you're really

1531
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:52,390
going to walk away from all this you

1532
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:55,690
know the truth to this you know even if

1533
01:18:02,220 --> 01:17:58,810
the implications are disturbing to your

1534
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:02,230
academic colleagues and he he convinced

1535
01:18:07,410 --> 01:18:05,290
me that no and I knew he was right he

1536
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:07,420
convinced me that I had to live up to

1537
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:11,650
what I had always advocated which is

1538
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:13,690
that you go with the evidence you look

1539
01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:16,690
at the evidence you go with the truth if

1540
01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:19,540
I could use that term and you don't back

1541
01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:22,150
away from it whether it's popular or not

1542
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:25,480
and somebody just posted a picture of

1543
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:34,330
you Hawass west and it's Hawass you oh

1544
01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:37,990
and a graham hancock and the four of you

1545
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:42,070
are standing there together did and I'm

1546
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:43,570
looking at you send that to me or

1547
01:18:49,770 --> 01:18:47,290
something in this picture it almost

1548
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:49,780
looks like everybody is getting along

1549
01:18:56,820 --> 01:18:55,090
except for Bauval and and jaws those two

1550
01:19:00,240 --> 01:18:56,830
don't look happy

1551
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:00,250
Graham is laughing Hawass has got a

1552
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:01,600
smile on his face

1553
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:05,740
did they ever did did Hawass ever

1554
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:08,530
capitulate did he ever give in I mean

1555
01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:11,530
even a little bit yeah I would say a

1556
01:19:18,750 --> 01:19:14,380
little bit I would say a little bit I

1557
01:19:23,190 --> 01:19:18,760
felt that my relationship and West's

1558
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:23,200
relationship with Hawass was served on

1559
01:19:28,030 --> 01:19:26,530
and off more or less what I want what I

1560
01:19:30,580 --> 01:19:28,040
mean by that

1561
01:19:33,670 --> 01:19:30,590
that we would disagree certainly

1562
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:33,680
publicly we would disagree but I've had

1563
01:19:40,540 --> 01:19:37,850
private conversations and dinners with

1564
01:19:44,260 --> 01:19:40,550
Hawass in the past I haven't seen him

1565
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:44,270
recently honestly but in the one I guess

1566
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:46,130
I have seemed relatively recently but

1567
01:19:52,690 --> 01:19:48,110
not not an a-cup intimate you know

1568
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:52,700
personal study not that he would back

1569
01:20:01,980 --> 01:19:58,250
off per se but there wasn't a personal

1570
01:20:07,390 --> 01:20:01,990
animosity necessarily between Hawass

1571
01:20:11,170 --> 01:20:07,400
West and myself that there was for

1572
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:11,180
instance and maybe still is between to

1573
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:13,970
use the other extreme Robert Bauval who

1574
01:20:20,650 --> 01:20:17,600
of course I know very well - and Zahi

1575
01:20:22,780 --> 01:20:20,660
Hawass if I'm making sense if your

1576
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:22,790
fellow are saying you are more I always

1577
01:20:29,710 --> 01:20:26,510
felt I've never felt a real personal

1578
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:29,720
animosity between Hawass and myself and

1579
01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:32,270
I believe that was always the case with

1580
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:35,470
Weston Hawass in fact I observed that

1581
01:20:40,750 --> 01:20:38,510
when we were together that you know we

1582
01:20:44,230 --> 01:20:40,760
might disagree I'm now talking about

1583
01:20:48,750 --> 01:20:44,240
West Hawass and myself we might all

1584
01:20:51,700 --> 01:20:48,760
disagree on things but there was also

1585
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:51,710
amicable relationship at a certain level

1586
01:20:58,510 --> 01:20:54,650
and a respect at a certain level I have

1587
01:21:02,410 --> 01:20:58,520
actually witnessed Hawass saying very

1588
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:02,420
positive things about into John Anthony

1589
01:21:06,820 --> 01:21:05,120
West in the past that doesn't mean he

1590
01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:06,830
agreed with him on the dating of the

1591
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:09,230
Sphinx or other interpretations big

1592
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:12,050
knowledge that John West did a lot to

1593
01:21:19,930 --> 01:21:16,010
help Egypt bring Egypt into a popular

1594
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:19,940
spotlight to gain good attention for

1595
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:22,640
Egypt you know which Egypt needs help

1596
01:21:28,270 --> 01:21:25,910
tourism that type of thing and who was

1597
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:28,280
respected that I believe did you guys

1598
01:21:33,670 --> 01:21:31,490
have any idea you and I talked privately

1599
01:21:35,530 --> 01:21:33,680
last week on the phone we had a really

1600
01:21:38,230 --> 01:21:35,540
good laugh about this you know very few

1601
01:21:40,750 --> 01:21:38,240
people have a chance to change the world

1602
01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:40,760
it's a whole nother stepped actually

1603
01:21:45,340 --> 01:21:43,160
follow up on that and and do it and

1604
01:21:46,690 --> 01:21:45,350
change the world the - you did this

1605
01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:46,700
together arm in arm--

1606
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:49,580
lockstep you fought the good fight and

1607
01:21:54,970 --> 01:21:51,530
you did do that but did you have any

1608
01:21:58,540 --> 01:21:54,980
idea that you were gonna tip the world

1609
01:22:01,630 --> 01:21:58,550
on its axis like you guys did no I don't

1610
01:22:04,780 --> 01:22:01,640
think so I did not I did not at least

1611
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:04,790
initially I went into this quite naively

1612
01:22:12,130 --> 01:22:08,270
now I will say for John Anthony West I

1613
01:22:16,810 --> 01:22:12,140
think he did realize how important this

1614
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:16,820
was and how I'll use your term

1615
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:19,730
game-changing this was right because it

1616
01:22:25,930 --> 01:22:23,690
raises so many issues and older Sphinx

1617
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:25,940
is not just an older Sphinx who cares if

1618
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:27,770
it's an older Sphinx it raises the whole

1619
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:30,400
issue of civilization before

1620
01:22:35,290 --> 01:22:32,990
civilization is supposed to have existed

1621
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:35,300
raises the whole issue ultimately of

1622
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:38,690
civilization and sophisticated culture

1623
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:41,210
before the end of the last ice age or

1624
01:22:46,060 --> 01:22:43,490
what I call now earlier cycle of

1625
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:46,070
civilization which John West was very

1626
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:48,710
happy with that term going back to a

1627
01:22:53,860 --> 01:22:51,710
much more remote period it changes the

1628
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:53,870
whole nature of what we think of as

1629
01:23:00,130 --> 01:22:57,460
progress which is something he was very

1630
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,140
interested in for people that know his

1631
01:23:04,990 --> 01:23:02,480
work he'd like to talk about the Church

1632
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:05,000
of progress the concept of the Church of

1633
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:08,680
Progress which is as dogmatic as any

1634
01:23:14,710 --> 01:23:11,920
conventional Church more or less modern

1635
01:23:17,230 --> 01:23:14,720
science thinking that we're the best and

1636
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:17,240
the brightest and if you go back in time

1637
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:19,310
they can only be stupider and Dumber

1638
01:23:25,870 --> 01:23:22,510
than us and it's from dumb old them to

1639
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:25,880
bright and you know technologically

1640
01:23:29,710 --> 01:23:27,770
sophisticated us they'd like to point

1641
01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:29,720
out what they're our technology bring us

1642
01:23:38,530 --> 01:23:33,220
striped toothpaste and atomic bombs and

1643
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:38,540
towards the you know the latter part of

1644
01:23:44,410 --> 01:23:42,080
his career he started to and we've only

1645
01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:44,420
got a few minutes left but I think we

1646
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:46,790
need to touch upon this he started to

1647
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:49,730
really address the spirituality and the

1648
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:52,910
religious side the hardcore spirituality

1649
01:23:57,339 --> 01:23:54,530
side of ancient Egypt and

1650
01:23:59,319 --> 01:23:57,349
oh yes actually but you know the funny

1651
01:24:02,260 --> 01:23:59,329
thing is you say toward the latter part

1652
01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:02,270
of his career it was there all along

1653
01:24:08,319 --> 01:24:05,389
I mean I've logged for 30 you know 30 or

1654
01:24:11,979 --> 01:24:08,329
so years I knew him it was there it's

1655
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:11,989
just didn't make the front lines it

1656
01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:14,630
didn't people weren't aware of that and

1657
01:24:21,819 --> 01:24:17,329
I think in part because he hadn't spoken

1658
01:24:23,919 --> 01:24:21,829
about as much and he hadn't publicized

1659
01:24:26,250 --> 01:24:23,929
that aspect as much especially when we

1660
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:26,260
were embroiled with the Sphinx

1661
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:29,270
controversy that type of thing right but

1662
01:24:34,839 --> 01:24:31,190
no it was there but you're absolutely

1663
01:24:37,209 --> 01:24:34,849
right it came forward even more and so

1664
01:24:39,459 --> 01:24:37,219
for instance a little thing I wrote so

1665
01:24:41,979 --> 01:24:39,469
far and posted on my website if people

1666
01:24:46,209 --> 01:24:41,989
read that I talked about at least some

1667
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:46,219
of that aspect based on the ancient

1668
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:49,730
Egyptians and of course he was probably

1669
01:24:55,359 --> 01:24:52,130
the greatest translator if I could use

1670
01:24:58,180 --> 01:24:55,369
that term of dynastic Egyptian beliefs

1671
01:25:00,810 --> 01:24:58,190
along those lines into modern terms yeah

1672
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:00,820
he had mentioned one of our last shows

1673
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:06,530
we we've done five shows with jaws okay

1674
01:25:14,620 --> 01:25:08,750
today being the sixth he's technically

1675
01:25:17,410 --> 01:25:14,630
here he's absolutely here and our first

1676
01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:17,420
show with with John Anthony West are you

1677
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:20,860
ready it was our seventh seventh

1678
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:27,130
broadcast on January 6 2014

1679
01:25:34,270 --> 01:25:32,570
incredible and there you go but one of

1680
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:34,280
our last conversations one of the last

1681
01:25:40,450 --> 01:25:36,380
times he was on the show last year right

1682
01:25:43,359 --> 01:25:40,460
before he fell ill he spent some time

1683
01:25:45,609 --> 01:25:43,369
with me on the phone for I was it was

1684
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:45,619
about a week's worth of conversations

1685
01:25:51,609 --> 01:25:49,520
about near-death experiences and you

1686
01:25:53,109 --> 01:25:51,619
know about that and he edited the book

1687
01:25:56,049 --> 01:25:53,119
for his friend and he was working on

1688
01:25:58,569 --> 01:25:56,059
that yeah the dead Saints chronic the

1689
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:58,579
dead Saints chronicles and he and so I

1690
01:26:05,380 --> 01:26:03,730
talk to him about Egypt there are some

1691
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:05,390
things that we had on the table and he

1692
01:26:09,970 --> 01:26:07,730
was okay with that but he kept stopping

1693
01:26:12,580 --> 01:26:09,980
and steering the conversation these were

1694
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:12,590
private conversations back to he's like

1695
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:15,530
Jimmy we've got to do we can do a show

1696
01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:17,930
about that but I really want to talk

1697
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:19,580
about the near-death experience there's

1698
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:22,070
something going on here and his interest

1699
01:26:29,710 --> 01:26:26,330
was just right there oh absolutely

1700
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:29,720
absolutely but I'll tell you he he had

1701
01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:32,930
that interest at least privately as long

1702
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:35,510
as I knew him and when you start when

1703
01:26:41,890 --> 01:26:38,630
you look at some of his early even

1704
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:41,900
fictional work you if you know him and

1705
01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:43,670
served in hindsight then they say

1706
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:45,830
hindsight's 20/20 but at least when I

1707
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:48,710
read it you can see some of these

1708
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:51,640
interests already have had developed

1709
01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:56,090
even back in the early mid sixties and

1710
01:27:00,190 --> 01:26:58,310
his writing I want to thank you for

1711
01:27:03,190 --> 01:27:00,200
taking the time to come on tonight and

1712
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:03,200
oh my pleasure my pleasure anytime four

1713
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:06,650
four four as I said my really dear

1714
01:27:11,140 --> 01:27:08,930
friends yeah you know what and your dear

1715
01:27:17,140 --> 01:27:11,150
friend is going you know Robert you held

1716
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:17,150
back you'll get me to come out

1717
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:21,920
eventually you've done that before thank

1718
01:27:26,860 --> 01:27:23,930
you so much Robert give my best to Katie

1719
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:26,870
and just enjoy the rest of your evening

1720
01:27:31,630 --> 01:27:29,360
and we will speak very very soon my

1721
01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:31,640
friend thank you so much okay thank you

1722
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:35,060
thank you dr. Robert Schoch and it's dr.

1723
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:38,330
Robert Schoch dot-com you have to go

1724
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:41,090
read his latest article that he posted

1725
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:42,950
up there about John Anthony West it is

1726
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:46,460
absolutely amazing only one person could

1727
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,410
write it and that's Robert Schoch this

1728
01:27:53,620 --> 01:27:50,480
is fade to black I'll be right back with

1729
01:27:55,540 --> 01:27:53,630
chance Gardner live from Australia this

1730
01:27:57,150 --> 01:27:55,550
is our John Anthony West tribute special

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01:28:04,919 --> 01:27:57,160
we'll be right back

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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[Music]

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01:31:54,590 --> 01:31:50,990
welcome back fade to black this is our

1796
01:31:56,690 --> 01:31:54,600
John Anthony West special tribute want

1797
01:32:01,390 --> 01:31:56,700
to thank dr. Robert Schoch for coming in

1798
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:01,400
and sharing some pretty funny stories

1799
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:05,730
the best next up we have chance gardener

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01:32:13,370 --> 01:32:09,540
live from Australia director of magical

1801
01:32:16,940 --> 01:32:13,380
Egypt one in two and before I go into a

1802
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:16,950
big long look I'm all choked up a big

1803
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:19,050
long introduction I just want to welcome

1804
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,540
back to fade to black chance gardener

1805
01:32:25,940 --> 01:32:23,280
live from Australia chance good evening

1806
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:25,950
good morning good morning and good

1807
01:32:29,710 --> 01:32:27,510
evening Jimmy Church it's a pleasure to

1808
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:29,720
be here yeah and I wish it was different

1809
01:32:34,670 --> 01:32:32,130
circumstances but this Alysha was under

1810
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:34,680
better circumstances yeah yeah and you

1811
01:32:45,580 --> 01:32:40,530
know this is the deal he John would be

1812
01:32:49,190 --> 01:32:45,590
so angry at us if we went melancholy

1813
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:49,200
paying about that and we were just

1814
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:50,760
laughing about that with Robin I'm sure

1815
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:53,940
you're listening to the show but the the

1816
01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:56,010
truth is he would use some very colorful

1817
01:33:00,620 --> 01:32:57,900
language if we went in the wrong

1818
01:33:03,860 --> 01:33:00,630
direction so we're not gonna do that

1819
01:33:06,020 --> 01:33:03,870
tonight are we now one of the things

1820
01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:06,030
that John was famous for is when he took

1821
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:07,860
a mind to it he could just eviscerate

1822
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:10,560
you you did not want him mad at you with

1823
01:33:16,820 --> 01:33:14,730
his verbal skills and his brain he I've

1824
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:16,830
seen him take many a man apart Jimmy yes

1825
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:21,060
yes you know what one day I'll I'll

1826
01:33:26,690 --> 01:33:24,690
start off with this story I'll keep it

1827
01:33:31,340 --> 01:33:26,700
brief but Rita and I were in Manhattan

1828
01:33:33,410 --> 01:33:31,350
and we went through the the Egyptian

1829
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:33,420
wing at the Med which you know it's one

1830
01:33:38,780 --> 01:33:36,090
of the great Egyptian you know things to

1831
01:33:41,390 --> 01:33:38,790
do outside of Egypt and so we did that

1832
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:41,400
so I called John and and Rita and I are

1833
01:33:48,260 --> 01:33:44,400
walking littering through Central Park

1834
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:48,270
and I've got jaws on the phone and I was

1835
01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:51,060
going back and forth between Robert and

1836
01:33:56,270 --> 01:33:53,550
and jaws and I'm talking to Charles

1837
01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:56,280
about the the exhibit and different

1838
01:33:58,760 --> 01:33:57,450
things out there and I wanted him to

1839
01:34:03,140 --> 01:33:58,770
come on the show and we're gonna talk

1840
01:34:10,460 --> 01:34:03,150
things were anyway his mind is so oh I

1841
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:10,470
got some bad wind okay you prom I'm just

1842
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:12,330
gonna let everybody know that chance

1843
01:34:17,450 --> 01:34:14,880
lives on the ocean he's got these

1844
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:17,460
massive doors open in the breeze I'm

1845
01:34:25,700 --> 01:34:20,970
picturing the curtains blowing and the

1846
01:34:27,530 --> 01:34:25,710
Sun coming in you've got a mai tai so

1847
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:27,540
how's that Jimmy everything's closed up

1848
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:35,090
unless I'm expelling okay that was John

1849
01:34:40,130 --> 01:34:38,400
and so I'm talking to him about the

1850
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:40,140
exhibit and different things that I saw

1851
01:34:46,370 --> 01:34:42,960
his mind is so sharp he knew every

1852
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:46,380
single object in the Egyptian wing at

1853
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:50,000
the Met entirely and he corrected me

1854
01:34:56,060 --> 01:34:53,250
laughing correcting me every step of the

1855
01:35:00,710 --> 01:34:56,070
way and I took it like a man I mean it

1856
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:00,720
was just like he he knows his stuff

1857
01:35:06,290 --> 01:35:03,330
he knows his dates he knows his objects

1858
01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:06,300
he knows everything about that and I was

1859
01:35:11,150 --> 01:35:08,280
completely humbled by it and then he

1860
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:11,160
goes and Jimmy we can talk about all of

1861
01:35:16,820 --> 01:35:15,000
this on the show you know what can you

1862
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:16,830
do right what can you do but that's

1863
01:35:21,710 --> 01:35:19,890
that's him his mind was as as sharp as

1864
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:21,720
anything especially when it came to

1865
01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:25,500
Egypt did he ever correct you you know

1866
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:26,910
it's funny I was just gonna say that I

1867
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:28,650
have a relationship with him that was

1868
01:35:32,780 --> 01:35:31,320
very much like he was like a stern

1869
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:32,790
martial arts instructor and he

1870
01:35:37,190 --> 01:35:35,010
constantly had a ruler out slapping me

1871
01:35:39,710 --> 01:35:37,200
in the forehead um I was you know like a

1872
01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:39,720
young idiot television executive and I'd

1873
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:40,950
done pretty well and I was pretty full

1874
01:35:45,260 --> 01:35:42,480
of myself when I was a young kid and I

1875
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:45,270
first met him and really quickly when I

1876
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:46,800
fell into his company it was clear that

1877
01:35:50,990 --> 01:35:49,290
he didn't quite think of me the same way

1878
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:51,000
that I thought of myself and he'd

1879
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:52,860
correct my thinking which I just you

1880
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:55,080
know most people aren't accustomed to

1881
01:36:00,740 --> 01:35:57,480
being corrected all the time and it took

1882
01:36:02,180 --> 01:36:00,750
quite a bit of I had to find this place

1883
01:36:03,850 --> 01:36:02,190
of humility that I didn't know that I

1884
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:03,860
had just like you know with any

1885
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:07,650
instructor or any mentor and he was very

1886
01:36:11,770 --> 01:36:10,560
quick to slap me down and there's so

1887
01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:11,780
many automatic thing

1888
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:13,580
we do in so many ridiculous parts of

1889
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,620
speech and so much subliminal

1890
01:36:19,450 --> 01:36:17,360
programming that we have by the time we

1891
01:36:21,190 --> 01:36:19,460
get out of school and you don't really

1892
01:36:23,380 --> 01:36:21,200
realize that all those thoughts in your

1893
01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:23,390
head aren't yours and you know as an

1894
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:25,190
artist I've never been a scientist you

1895
01:36:28,990 --> 01:36:27,410
know and as an artist I think it's

1896
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:29,000
important for everyone to develop skills

1897
01:36:31,900 --> 01:36:30,530
in language that are precise and

1898
01:36:33,610 --> 01:36:31,910
accurate but if you're gonna be

1899
01:36:35,740 --> 01:36:33,620
discussing issues like this that are

1900
01:36:38,530 --> 01:36:35,750
such triggers and such hot buttons for

1901
01:36:41,290 --> 01:36:38,540
people and you need to be very precise

1902
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:41,300
about the way you speak and although it

1903
01:36:46,510 --> 01:36:45,050
wasn't Pleasant at the time I really

1904
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:46,520
it's one of the million things I have to

1905
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:49,010
thank John for it is he you know was a

1906
01:36:54,850 --> 01:36:52,490
trial by fire and he never was merciful

1907
01:36:57,630 --> 01:36:54,860
towards me if I spoke in sloppy language

1908
01:37:00,630 --> 01:36:57,640
before I took something for granted or

1909
01:37:02,710 --> 01:37:00,640
you know listened to people who

1910
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:02,720
shouldn't be listening to repeating

1911
01:37:06,250 --> 01:37:03,890
people I shouldn't have been you know he

1912
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:06,260
was all about free speech and everything

1913
01:37:10,330 --> 01:37:07,760
but when it came time to present these

1914
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:10,340
certain ideas he was definitely a

1915
01:37:14,770 --> 01:37:13,010
crucible that I had to go through and it

1916
01:37:16,450 --> 01:37:14,780
took quite a bit of humility to do so

1917
01:37:19,780 --> 01:37:16,460
and and I'm so much better for the

1918
01:37:22,990 --> 01:37:19,790
experience and the other side which I

1919
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:23,000
just adored about John was his sense of

1920
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:26,810
humor the dude was funny what made him

1921
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:29,920
what made you laugh when it came to John

1922
01:37:34,780 --> 01:37:33,290
his dark sense of humor and his ability

1923
01:37:38,980 --> 01:37:34,790
to pick apart people that were really

1924
01:37:42,430 --> 01:37:38,990
self-important he didn't care for a

1925
01:37:44,350 --> 01:37:42,440
whole lot of the New Atheists he and I

1926
01:37:46,260 --> 01:37:44,360
had some differing opinions on people

1927
01:37:48,850 --> 01:37:46,270
like I really enjoy Christopher

1928
01:37:51,010 --> 01:37:48,860
Christopher Hitchens and people who have

1929
01:37:53,530 --> 01:37:51,020
such a clarity of intellect and such an

1930
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:53,540
ability to speak but whenever I bring up

1931
01:37:56,740 --> 01:37:55,280
you know Christopher hare Christopher

1932
01:37:58,660 --> 01:37:56,750
Hitchens or Sam Harris and especially

1933
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:58,670
Richard Dawkins although John would go

1934
01:38:02,650 --> 01:38:00,560
off it was like watching a cat when a

1935
01:38:03,550 --> 01:38:02,660
dog walked into a room it's just there's

1936
01:38:05,860 --> 01:38:03,560
certain people he had these

1937
01:38:08,650 --> 01:38:05,870
philosophical differences with and he

1938
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:08,660
was not only just able to eviscerate but

1939
01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:10,550
he was able to do it in such a funny way

1940
01:38:14,410 --> 01:38:12,710
and you know from your time with him

1941
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:14,420
especially when he was around gerald

1942
01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:14,960
Celente

1943
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:16,900
the two of those guys for these little

1944
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:19,310
co-conspirators and just this factory

1945
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:22,190
for hilarious you know change one work

1946
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:23,730
sent one letter in a

1947
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:26,370
and make it hilarious like you know the

1948
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:28,050
press became the prostitutes and

1949
01:38:32,810 --> 01:38:30,450
academics became quack Adem expand he

1950
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:32,820
just was never at a loss for a one-word

1951
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:35,460
derogatory term for someone he didn't

1952
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:38,040
approve of now one of my favorite things

1953
01:38:44,780 --> 01:38:41,370
to do with him and it was so easy is all

1954
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:44,790
I had to do was bring up Richard Dawkins

1955
01:38:50,630 --> 01:38:48,330
that's all I had in any contact and then

1956
01:38:53,060 --> 01:38:50,640
I would just shut up the name only had

1957
01:38:57,140 --> 01:38:53,070
to be mentioned and it was one of my

1958
01:38:58,940 --> 01:38:57,150
funnest things to do with him and did

1959
01:39:01,280 --> 01:38:58,950
you do that with him too as well now

1960
01:39:03,020 --> 01:39:01,290
you've just brought up Gerald and I

1961
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:03,030
don't want to let that go too as well

1962
01:39:16,580 --> 01:39:13,220
black-and-white atheist non what's the

1963
01:39:18,020 --> 01:39:16,590
word I want to use non spiritual you

1964
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:18,030
know people at aerialist yeah

1965
01:39:21,220 --> 01:39:19,920
materialists that just got under his

1966
01:39:24,290 --> 01:39:21,230
skin

1967
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:24,300
well the thing that really John's

1968
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:26,790
contribution to humanity was to show

1969
01:39:32,210 --> 01:39:29,820
that ancient Egypt wasn't trying to tell

1970
01:39:34,670 --> 01:39:32,220
us a bunch of stories about animal

1971
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:34,680
headed gods that through the use of this

1972
01:39:39,740 --> 01:39:37,410
visual language they were transmitting

1973
01:39:41,090 --> 01:39:39,750
these schematics of psyche and these

1974
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:41,100
schematics of our kind of psycho

1975
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:45,210
spiritual Anatomy if you will and it's

1976
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:47,160
the most important thing you can do you

1977
01:39:50,630 --> 01:39:48,480
have a small period of time in the

1978
01:39:52,190 --> 01:39:50,640
physical incarnation to get to know and

1979
01:39:54,020 --> 01:39:52,200
to get to wield your you know your

1980
01:39:55,850 --> 01:39:54,030
higher aspects your mind and you know

1981
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:55,860
whatever the psycho-spiritual the wings

1982
01:39:59,420 --> 01:39:57,930
of architecture are that are you know

1983
01:40:02,360 --> 01:39:59,430
the higher aspects there's a lot to the

1984
01:40:06,440 --> 01:40:02,370
human experience that isn't physical and

1985
01:40:08,690 --> 01:40:06,450
so he was never against science and he

1986
01:40:10,460 --> 01:40:08,700
really brought the scientific method to

1987
01:40:11,690 --> 01:40:10,470
this genre which is a lot more than I

1988
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:11,700
could say for you know most of the

1989
01:40:15,470 --> 01:40:14,010
people occupying this genre and the fact

1990
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:15,480
that he brought Robert Schoch in I think

1991
01:40:19,130 --> 01:40:17,370
is really what put John West on the map

1992
01:40:22,010 --> 01:40:19,140
because John knew that people like him

1993
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:22,020
and people like me you only get so far

1994
01:40:26,210 --> 01:40:24,330
no matter how persuasive or how

1995
01:40:27,260 --> 01:40:26,220
well-spoken you are before scientists

1996
01:40:28,940 --> 01:40:27,270
are gonna say well you're not a

1997
01:40:31,220 --> 01:40:28,950
scientist so why would we care what you

1998
01:40:33,470 --> 01:40:31,230
think so early on he brought Robert

1999
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:33,480
Schoch in to anchor this thing in

2000
01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:36,210
science but the thing about science as

2001
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:37,120
we all know is that

2002
01:40:40,650 --> 01:40:39,250
it's the mandate of science to focus on

2003
01:40:43,020 --> 01:40:40,660
what is measurable and what is

2004
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,030
repeatable and there are things in the

2005
01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:46,000
newest and in the psyche you know the

2006
01:40:49,710 --> 01:40:47,800
biggest mystery of all the science is

2007
01:40:50,970 --> 01:40:49,720
nobody knows what consciousness is

2008
01:40:52,410 --> 01:40:50,980
nobody knows what the hell consciousness

2009
01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:52,420
is and it's the biggest most sensual

2010
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:55,150
thing it's like talking to a fish about

2011
01:40:58,290 --> 01:40:56,800
water and they say what water I don't

2012
01:41:02,850 --> 01:40:58,300
know you're talking about watering right

2013
01:41:04,770 --> 01:41:02,860
and so when people tried to say there

2014
01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:04,780
was nothing but the physical and then

2015
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:06,520
all of your thoughts and all your

2016
01:41:11,010 --> 01:41:08,770
emotions are a product of chemicals and

2017
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,020
electrical impulses in the brain he did

2018
01:41:16,110 --> 01:41:13,840
not care for that and um you know what I

2019
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:16,120
found really interesting in him too is

2020
01:41:20,730 --> 01:41:18,730
even when the tide was almost a feeding

2021
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:20,740
frenzy about ancient aliens and stuff

2022
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:23,320
like that he got furious when he brought

2023
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:26,530
up the idea of aliens because it was

2024
01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:30,010
still a physical materialist explanation

2025
01:41:36,090 --> 01:41:34,360
that just sort of offset the offset the

2026
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:36,100
source of this information to some other

2027
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:39,100
planet and really didn't still

2028
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:42,250
acknowledge that special most mysterious

2029
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:45,520
invisible thing that you know this

2030
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:47,170
invisible temple that we should all be

2031
01:41:51,330 --> 01:41:49,690
building that the Egyptians left you

2032
01:41:53,970 --> 01:41:51,340
know rather specific instructions about

2033
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:53,980
how to build so that was the thing that

2034
01:41:58,590 --> 01:41:56,290
bothered him you know was the whole

2035
01:42:00,510 --> 01:41:58,600
thing started out with this maxim that

2036
01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:00,520
most people get wrong when they repeat

2037
01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:04,120
it but early on some famous scientist

2038
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:06,940
said we only understand about you know I

2039
01:42:11,610 --> 01:42:09,490
was 2 or 10% we only understand about

2040
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:11,620
10% of what the brain does maybe it was

2041
01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:15,160
2% and he didn't say we only use 2% of

2042
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:16,630
our brains which is the common thing

2043
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:17,860
that everyone says but he said we really

2044
01:42:23,370 --> 01:42:19,900
only understand about 2% of what the

2045
01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:23,380
brain does and that was fair enough that

2046
01:42:27,450 --> 01:42:25,990
all science can address are these things

2047
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:27,460
that we can actually measure and

2048
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:29,530
duplicate and repeat but at at some

2049
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:31,630
point science changed to an even more

2050
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:34,630
radical materialism that said if we

2051
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:36,610
can't measure it it doesn't exist which

2052
01:42:41,370 --> 01:42:38,710
is you know ridiculous try and take a

2053
01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:41,380
meter out and measure humor or you know

2054
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:43,870
measure the swell of a sonata or you

2055
01:42:48,030 --> 01:42:46,120
know measure the what makes your eyes

2056
01:42:49,899 --> 01:42:48,040
dilate when you see a beautiful woman or

2057
01:42:52,270 --> 01:42:49,909
you hear a fantastic Gretch

2058
01:42:54,189 --> 01:42:52,280
Duane Eddy song you know there's a lot

2059
01:42:56,290 --> 01:42:54,199
to life I might argue John would

2060
01:42:58,779 --> 01:42:56,300
certainly argue that the best parts of

2061
01:43:01,419 --> 01:42:58,789
life happened when you're not dwelling

2062
01:43:03,279 --> 01:43:01,429
on the material you know and so that's

2063
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:03,289
what that was the nature of his

2064
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:05,689
complaint with him is that science moved

2065
01:43:09,250 --> 01:43:07,489
out of their jurisdiction to say not

2066
01:43:10,659 --> 01:43:09,260
first first honestly we don't know what

2067
01:43:13,060 --> 01:43:10,669
it does and then to say well there's

2068
01:43:15,759 --> 01:43:13,070
nothing except what we know and that's

2069
01:43:18,399 --> 01:43:15,769
what bothered him about Richard Dawkins

2070
01:43:20,259 --> 01:43:18,409
and also as a he was just such a sword

2071
01:43:22,899 --> 01:43:20,269
fighter he was such a swashbuckler and

2072
01:43:24,729 --> 01:43:22,909
you know the way I would imagine any

2073
01:43:25,929 --> 01:43:24,739
mixed martial artist when I see another

2074
01:43:27,909 --> 01:43:25,939
martial artist that's big and

2075
01:43:29,979 --> 01:43:27,919
intimidating they're gonna kind of work

2076
01:43:32,020 --> 01:43:29,989
on their game a little bit and you know

2077
01:43:32,949 --> 01:43:32,030
do extra a little bit of workout when

2078
01:43:34,839 --> 01:43:32,959
they know that they're gonna be in the

2079
01:43:36,729 --> 01:43:34,849
ring with these people so I think in the

2080
01:43:38,739 --> 01:43:36,739
back of his mind he was always sort of

2081
01:43:40,330 --> 01:43:38,749
subconsciously preparing for that

2082
01:43:43,810 --> 01:43:40,340
inevitable day when he squared off with

2083
01:43:46,299 --> 01:43:43,820
Dawkins or a you know Hitchens or a Sam

2084
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:46,309
Harris and unfortunately that never came

2085
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:49,570
and I was I was ask you that did he ever

2086
01:43:54,909 --> 01:43:52,130
did he ever go face-to-face with a

2087
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:54,919
Dawkins you know what he never did and

2088
01:43:59,409 --> 01:43:56,570
never was in the room I'd never talked

2089
01:44:01,120 --> 01:43:59,419
to Hitchens or he'd man he didn't care

2090
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:01,130
for Daniel Dennett either he was part of

2091
01:44:06,580 --> 01:44:04,130
that too you know those those four I was

2092
01:44:07,899 --> 01:44:06,590
one time we're in the Mina house just

2093
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:07,909
eating lunch and I think there are some

2094
01:44:15,989 --> 01:44:10,159
cocktails involved and I look up and I

2095
01:44:20,949 --> 01:44:18,850
I'm not usually such a subtle person and

2096
01:44:22,509 --> 01:44:20,959
I'm normally not a stir like this but he

2097
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,519
because he was walking kind of by us and

2098
01:44:25,779 --> 01:44:23,840
he didn't see John and John didn't see

2099
01:44:27,159 --> 01:44:25,789
him but I kind of leaned back and acted

2100
01:44:29,409 --> 01:44:27,169
like I dropped something and I blocked

2101
01:44:31,359 --> 01:44:29,419
laners passage for a minute so that

2102
01:44:32,649 --> 01:44:31,369
later it would stop and they both looked

2103
01:44:35,140 --> 01:44:32,659
up at the same time and they both see

2104
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:35,150
each other and they had this exchange

2105
01:44:40,959 --> 01:44:38,650
that started out polite the laner said

2106
01:44:43,689 --> 01:44:40,969
hi and John said laner what are you

2107
01:44:45,759 --> 01:44:43,699
doing here and later instantly said oh

2108
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:45,769
I'm just trying so desperately to prove

2109
01:44:49,449 --> 01:44:47,570
that the Sphinx is only 3,000 years old

2110
01:44:51,310 --> 01:44:49,459
it was some caddy response that Laird

2111
01:44:54,699 --> 01:44:51,320
had to something John had said earlier

2112
01:44:56,409 --> 01:44:54,709
and just without a beat John said well

2113
01:44:58,779 --> 01:44:56,419
try as you won't try and she will you

2114
01:45:00,850 --> 01:44:58,789
never will prove that it's just instant

2115
01:45:03,069 --> 01:45:00,860
exchange that was so quick but it was so

2116
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:03,079
rapier and both men walked their

2117
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,650
separate ways

2118
01:45:09,250 --> 01:45:05,360
and I just inside I was applauding like

2119
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:09,260
a little boy because I played man well

2120
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:14,810
played well the I wanted to ask you

2121
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:17,170
about that actually when you were

2122
01:45:21,580 --> 01:45:18,650
privately

2123
01:45:24,399 --> 01:45:21,590
you know dinner drinks with John what

2124
01:45:25,780 --> 01:45:24,409
did you guys talk about you know the

2125
01:45:27,580 --> 01:45:25,790
thing that we talked about more than

2126
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:27,590
anything and I don't know how many

2127
01:45:31,870 --> 01:45:29,570
people know this about John John was a

2128
01:45:33,970 --> 01:45:31,880
child of the theatre John loved the

2129
01:45:37,209 --> 01:45:33,980
theater his first wife I believe it's

2130
01:45:39,610 --> 01:45:37,219
second wife um were theatre people and

2131
01:45:41,860 --> 01:45:39,620
he was a playwright first and foremost

2132
01:45:43,540 --> 01:45:41,870
and the only time so we always got along

2133
01:45:45,850 --> 01:45:43,550
really well in that kind of father-son

2134
01:45:48,910 --> 01:45:45,860
way slash martial arts instructor way

2135
01:45:51,970 --> 01:45:48,920
where he was punishing me a lot but I we

2136
01:45:53,709 --> 01:45:51,980
were really really good friends and when

2137
01:45:57,070 --> 01:45:53,719
I was at the networks and I you know

2138
01:45:59,260 --> 01:45:57,080
occupied a place where in his mind he

2139
01:46:00,760 --> 01:45:59,270
kept showing me these plays and he

2140
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,770
wanted me to take him to the network and

2141
01:46:03,820 --> 01:46:02,480
see if I could get some you know some

2142
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:03,830
real attention for them but they were

2143
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:05,810
Broadway plays and beautiful place so

2144
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:09,290
the thing that amazed me about him was

2145
01:46:13,149 --> 01:46:11,110
in addition to this remarkable

2146
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:13,159
contribution he made to the scientific

2147
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:14,210
world and kind of the metaphysical

2148
01:46:20,530 --> 01:46:18,050
occult world his plays and short stories

2149
01:46:23,140 --> 01:46:20,540
were so funny and so interesting but he

2150
01:46:24,580 --> 01:46:23,150
wasn't bound to a certain topic or a

2151
01:46:27,010 --> 01:46:24,590
certain subject and he didn't have to be

2152
01:46:29,740 --> 01:46:27,020
so careful about how he spoke and so he

2153
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:29,750
could get wild and pornographic and just

2154
01:46:35,500 --> 01:46:32,480
hilarious and mean-spirited but the guy

2155
01:46:36,850 --> 01:46:35,510
could really speak in allegories I think

2156
01:46:38,620 --> 01:46:36,860
what happens to anybody if you spend

2157
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:38,630
enough time in symbolism or if you have

2158
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:40,610
a natural aptitude towards symbolism it

2159
01:46:44,380 --> 01:46:42,050
meets that you have a you know a pretty

2160
01:46:46,930 --> 01:46:44,390
functional right hemisphere and that

2161
01:46:49,540 --> 01:46:46,940
your building blocks or your playthings

2162
01:46:52,419 --> 01:46:49,550
are metaphors and allegory and so in

2163
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:52,429
John's plays every single one of them

2164
01:46:57,700 --> 01:46:54,890
was a critique on modern society and

2165
01:46:59,800 --> 01:46:57,710
they were just as vicious and just as

2166
01:47:01,990 --> 01:46:59,810
hilarious as you know the things that he

2167
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:02,000
would say offhandedly but one of these

2168
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:05,449
days I suspect like philip k dick people

2169
01:47:08,979 --> 01:47:06,890
are going to take a hard look at the

2170
01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:08,989
plays that he's written and the short

2171
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:11,150
stories because they're all so good and

2172
01:47:15,610 --> 01:47:13,370
every one of them is ripe for adaptation

2173
01:47:17,530 --> 01:47:15,620
to a film or a play or you know some

2174
01:47:19,060 --> 01:47:17,540
kind of television treatment and I

2175
01:47:21,190 --> 01:47:19,070
always regretted not being able to do

2176
01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:21,200
that for him that you know as we all are

2177
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:23,200
just going to keep our heads above water

2178
01:47:28,540 --> 01:47:27,050
I just I was never in a position to do

2179
01:47:30,490 --> 01:47:28,550
anything to help him out in that regard

2180
01:47:32,890 --> 01:47:30,500
and I really regret that because I feel

2181
01:47:35,860 --> 01:47:32,900
like that would have made him very happy

2182
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:35,870
when you first started your first trips

2183
01:47:40,690 --> 01:47:37,610
over to Egypt and you you know you

2184
01:47:44,260 --> 01:47:40,700
started this relationship and developing

2185
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:44,270
the series magical Egypt one when when

2186
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:45,890
you were going through that initial

2187
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:49,310
stage what impressed you most I have my

2188
01:47:56,890 --> 01:47:53,810
things too as well that I can't get rid

2189
01:47:59,020 --> 01:47:56,900
of when I think about that you know what

2190
01:48:02,200 --> 01:47:59,030
what what was it where you just step

2191
01:48:03,790 --> 01:48:02,210
back and went whoa well keep in mind at

2192
01:48:06,220 --> 01:48:03,800
the time I was working on the Fox lot

2193
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:06,230
and my job was to shoot promo so every

2194
01:48:09,660 --> 01:48:08,000
star of every TV show would come down

2195
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:09,670
and I'd shoot some on green screen and

2196
01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:12,650
watch next Tuesday then fox mulder finds

2197
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:15,320
an alien right on fox let's see and so

2198
01:48:21,610 --> 01:48:18,920
every celebrity I've ever met has been a

2199
01:48:24,460 --> 01:48:21,620
psycho a self-entitled you know there's

2200
01:48:25,930 --> 01:48:24,470
a special kind of insanity and a special

2201
01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:25,940
kind of monster you become when you're

2202
01:48:29,890 --> 01:48:27,860
surrounded by yes men and you

2203
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:29,900
internalize your fame and whatnot and so

2204
01:48:35,290 --> 01:48:32,690
I learned and some rock and roll friends

2205
01:48:36,700 --> 01:48:35,300
in Los Angeles as you do not the caliber

2206
01:48:38,170 --> 01:48:36,710
that you do but anyway you know when

2207
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:38,180
you're around famous people there's this

2208
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,250
dynamic where you really have to watch

2209
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:42,560
yourself and watch what you say and when

2210
01:48:48,450 --> 01:48:44,860
I met John I could not believe how

2211
01:48:52,330 --> 01:48:48,460
absolutely casual unaware of his fame on

2212
01:48:54,340 --> 01:48:52,340
I'm assuming a very kind man your time

2213
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:54,350
to talk to anybody and the reason that

2214
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,110
his trips were such a treat was that any

2215
01:49:02,140 --> 01:48:59,840
man or woman from any walk of life could

2216
01:49:04,810 --> 01:49:02,150
show up and hang out with John for three

2217
01:49:06,250 --> 01:49:04,820
weeks and he was just never treated any

2218
01:49:08,770 --> 01:49:06,260
one person different than another and

2219
01:49:11,620 --> 01:49:08,780
never got that psychosis where he

2220
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:11,630
thought he was some really important

2221
01:49:15,340 --> 01:49:12,800
thing and that he should be treated

2222
01:49:17,170 --> 01:49:15,350
specially so he was very easy to be

2223
01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:17,180
around and he had this wonderful

2224
01:49:22,330 --> 01:49:19,490
baritone voice that was just like this

2225
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:22,340
big overstuffed leather chair and so you

2226
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,650
just hang out with him and good god the

2227
01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:26,000
amount of alcohol that we would pass

2228
01:49:29,020 --> 01:49:27,470
through us you know it's Egypt there's

2229
01:49:31,330 --> 01:49:29,030
nothing to do you know when the temples

2230
01:49:33,850 --> 01:49:31,340
aren't open right and so just the stone

2231
01:49:36,340 --> 01:49:33,860
and the fun the camaraderie and as you

2232
01:49:39,130 --> 01:49:36,350
said the sense of humor but his generous

2233
01:49:41,470 --> 01:49:39,140
nough sand the absolute surrealism of

2234
01:49:43,630 --> 01:49:41,480
being around somebody who I still can't

2235
01:49:45,550 --> 01:49:43,640
get a grip on how famous he was because

2236
01:49:47,650 --> 01:49:45,560
he was such an important thing in my

2237
01:49:49,150 --> 01:49:47,660
life and the people that know him he's a

2238
01:49:50,530 --> 01:49:49,160
huge thing but then there's so many

2239
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:50,540
people who have never heard of him so

2240
01:49:54,730 --> 01:49:53,510
but it was his humility it was a very

2241
01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:54,740
rare thing for somebody of his caliber

2242
01:50:00,850 --> 01:49:58,190
yeah I told the story last week but it

2243
01:50:04,300 --> 01:50:00,860
bears repeating it was just so funny

2244
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:04,310
the first no the second time a second

2245
01:50:10,860 --> 01:50:06,530
time he was on with us we were doing a

2246
01:50:15,610 --> 01:50:10,870
remote broadcast right and so anyway

2247
01:50:18,730 --> 01:50:15,620
Linda Moulton Howe and John were coming

2248
01:50:21,190 --> 01:50:18,740
down to beyond the show they didn't

2249
01:50:24,190 --> 01:50:21,200
realize that we had just wrapped we had

2250
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:24,200
just done three hours live and but now

2251
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,050
here comes John and Linda and John comes

2252
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:28,880
up and he goes okay let's go I was like

2253
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:32,000
well we just wrapped so what start this

2254
01:50:39,220 --> 01:50:35,930
show up again brah let's keep going

2255
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:39,230
I said really so we sat down and what I

2256
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:41,330
thought and I think I told them we could

2257
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:45,770
do five minutes we did an hour and we

2258
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:48,050
sat there the two of us those pictures

2259
01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:51,170
let me see if those are up Rita was yeah

2260
01:50:58,740 --> 01:50:53,860
okay here's one I'm gonna retweet this

2261
01:51:01,720 --> 01:50:58,750
to everybody this is this is one and

2262
01:51:06,250 --> 01:51:01,730
there's another one Rita post the one

2263
01:51:09,340 --> 01:51:06,260
with a Linda with the two of them so

2264
01:51:11,170 --> 01:51:09,350
this is John and I I think this picture

2265
01:51:13,480 --> 01:51:11,180
was actually after the broadcast now

2266
01:51:14,440 --> 01:51:13,490
look if well you can look at this later

2267
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:14,450
chance

2268
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:18,170
look at me I'm toasted sunburnt tired

2269
01:51:23,170 --> 01:51:19,850
run in the ground

2270
01:51:26,290 --> 01:51:23,180
look at John standing up straight eyes

2271
01:51:28,300 --> 01:51:26,300
wide open it's midnight

2272
01:51:32,410 --> 01:51:28,310
you know what's up little man you're too

2273
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:32,420
tired to hang with me you know and it

2274
01:51:36,610 --> 01:51:35,090
was just really really funny no normally

2275
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:36,620
that's exactly what you're talking about

2276
01:51:41,410 --> 01:51:38,960
nor the whole star thing right the whole

2277
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:41,420
ego narcissistic you know kind of thing

2278
01:51:46,330 --> 01:51:44,570
that was not in his life anybody else

2279
01:51:48,820 --> 01:51:46,340
would have come down and said oh you

2280
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:48,830
guys are wrapped okay done and walked

2281
01:51:56,050 --> 01:51:52,160
away that's not what jaws did that night

2282
01:52:01,000 --> 01:51:56,060
he said let's go and then and this is

2283
01:52:04,230 --> 01:52:01,010
and this is the truth beyond words he

2284
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:04,240
hung out with the fans that were there

2285
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:07,610
for for another hour you know taking

2286
01:52:12,910 --> 01:52:09,770
pictures and hanging out and telling

2287
01:52:16,630 --> 01:52:12,920
stories and and just took it as far as

2288
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:16,640
the fans wanted to take it you know no

2289
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:19,250
ego and and that's the truth okay here

2290
01:52:25,150 --> 01:52:20,960
we go Rita just posted this I'm gonna

2291
01:52:27,790 --> 01:52:25,160
retweet this this picture here and again

2292
01:52:32,170 --> 01:52:27,800
I want everybody to look this picture is

2293
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:32,180
very very telling look at me I am toast

2294
01:52:38,260 --> 01:52:35,930
you can look at my face I am just I have

2295
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:38,270
had the longest day three hours on the

2296
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:41,030
air and the prep before that Linda

2297
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:43,250
bright-eyed and bushy-tailed John

2298
01:52:49,690 --> 01:52:47,090
sitting up straight going bring it right

2299
01:52:52,030 --> 01:52:49,700
and it's really the truth and that is

2300
01:52:53,890 --> 01:52:52,040
what kind of guy he was and and there's

2301
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:53,900
a shot glass that's tipped over on the

2302
01:52:59,320 --> 01:52:56,210
table too if you look at the growth but

2303
01:53:04,420 --> 01:52:59,330
yeah and that's that's that's who he was

2304
01:53:06,610 --> 01:53:04,430
and I will never the one there's so many

2305
01:53:10,090 --> 01:53:06,620
things I can say right now but there was

2306
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:10,100
one thing about John he never he never

2307
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:13,010
once made me feel uncomfortable or those

2308
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:15,290
around him I'm not making this personal

2309
01:53:22,180 --> 01:53:18,410
those around him he never ever did that

2310
01:53:25,860 --> 01:53:22,190
he was just always open to hearing

2311
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:25,870
everybody else's opinions thoughts and

2312
01:53:31,930 --> 01:53:30,170
never cut anybody off now when he was

2313
01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:31,940
speaking and that was the other thing oh

2314
01:53:37,780 --> 01:53:33,590
I want to know if he did this with you

2315
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:37,790
he if I didn't interrupt him he could

2316
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:42,530
bust off 60 straight minutes that's

2317
01:53:46,930 --> 01:53:44,330
funny you say that I you know there's

2318
01:53:48,820 --> 01:53:46,940
some years right I talk to her every day

2319
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:48,830
you know right and I get on the phone

2320
01:53:53,530 --> 01:53:51,890
with him and we'd be talking and he was

2321
01:53:54,910 --> 01:53:53,540
in New York and I was in California and

2322
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:54,920
this is in the days of cell phones you

2323
01:53:58,360 --> 01:53:56,090
know when cell phones would break out

2324
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:58,370
I'm sure they still do but

2325
01:54:04,510 --> 01:54:01,520
so we'd be talking on the phone and he'd

2326
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:04,520
start he'd launch into a story and the

2327
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:06,290
phone would give out and I'd call him

2328
01:54:10,060 --> 01:54:08,960
back and his phone would be busy so I

2329
01:54:11,919 --> 01:54:10,070
called him back again this phone is

2330
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:11,929
still busy until I wait like two minutes

2331
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:14,090
and his phone was still busy and I

2332
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:15,770
waited like fifteen minutes and I called

2333
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:17,530
him back again this phone was still busy

2334
01:54:21,010 --> 01:54:19,520
twenty-five minutes later I called him

2335
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:21,020
back his phone was still busy like

2336
01:54:25,150 --> 01:54:23,570
thirty to thirty seven minutes later I

2337
01:54:28,150 --> 01:54:25,160
call him back and he answers the phone

2338
01:54:33,610 --> 01:54:28,160
and he's like how long have you been off

2339
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:33,620
the phone did you get all that freight

2340
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:36,650
train for 37 minutes not realizing that

2341
01:54:44,970 --> 01:54:39,410
the phone and that happened so many

2342
01:54:50,380 --> 01:54:44,980
times oh that is exactly that is spot on

2343
01:54:52,330 --> 01:54:50,390
spot on the money I never did I oh man I

2344
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:52,340
want to say something that I'm just

2345
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,370
gonna hold back on but he would do just

2346
01:55:01,120 --> 01:54:57,920
that and I would I would just stay

2347
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,130
focused and what we would have these

2348
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:03,440
conversations getting into symbolism and

2349
01:55:09,490 --> 01:55:06,800
very specific things that were was way

2350
01:55:12,340 --> 01:55:09,500
beyond my scope of research and

2351
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:12,350
understanding and and I just sat there

2352
01:55:18,669 --> 01:55:15,290
and paid attention you know and I

2353
01:55:23,290 --> 01:55:18,679
learned so much and he would not stop he

2354
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:23,300
had so much to say and I just incredible

2355
01:55:29,229 --> 01:55:26,320
shows I just shared this with Robert but

2356
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:29,239
I'm just gonna repeat it now because it

2357
01:55:34,180 --> 01:55:31,760
goes too with what you're saying now the

2358
01:55:37,660 --> 01:55:34,190
first time he was on with us and I told

2359
01:55:40,900 --> 01:55:37,670
him it was going to be two hours he said

2360
01:55:42,250 --> 01:55:40,910
that's not long enough and I said what

2361
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:42,260
do you mean he said well how long is

2362
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:44,210
this show us in three hours it goes okay

2363
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:46,850
man well I need the whole three Wow and

2364
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:50,480
and that's you know I learned my lesson

2365
01:55:55,479 --> 01:55:52,880
of course it was absolutely right he

2366
01:55:58,510 --> 01:55:55,489
needs at least three hours but that's

2367
01:55:59,260 --> 01:55:58,520
he's got too much to say I don't know

2368
01:56:02,080 --> 01:55:59,270
anything

2369
01:56:03,790 --> 01:56:02,090
he knows everything I used to joke with

2370
01:56:05,290 --> 01:56:03,800
him because you know is we have this

2371
01:56:07,330 --> 01:56:05,300
strange relationship where as an

2372
01:56:08,919 --> 01:56:07,340
interviewer and especially like when I

2373
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:08,929
got into this and certain things on

2374
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:09,650
extreme

2375
01:56:14,350 --> 01:56:11,680
interested in so I'm constantly like

2376
01:56:16,570 --> 01:56:14,360
going down that wing with him let's talk

2377
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:16,580
about this let's talk about this and I

2378
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:18,890
would ask him things and the reason I

2379
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:19,970
would ask him things is because I know

2380
01:56:22,750 --> 01:56:21,440
that he has good riff you know after

2381
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:22,760
spending so much time in Egypt with him

2382
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:24,770
and just you know at home and he spent a

2383
01:56:31,870 --> 01:56:27,410
lot of time at my place in LA and the

2384
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:31,880
Los Feliz I knew these riffs and so as a

2385
01:56:35,980 --> 01:56:33,920
professor as an interviewer you want to

2386
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:35,990
put the shortest distance between you

2387
01:56:40,210 --> 01:56:38,090
and a good riff of John's possible so I

2388
01:56:41,710 --> 01:56:40,220
would ask these things that I knew that

2389
01:56:43,270 --> 01:56:41,720
he had good riffs about and frequently

2390
01:56:45,130 --> 01:56:43,280
he'd go oh I don't know anything about

2391
01:56:46,150 --> 01:56:45,140
that I'm like no I know you said

2392
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:46,160
something yesterday I wouldn't have

2393
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:47,090
asked you if I didn't think you know

2394
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:49,040
about it let's talk about this and I

2395
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:50,510
would ended up telling him and I do

2396
01:56:55,090 --> 01:56:53,210
still believe this that he had something

2397
01:56:56,500 --> 01:56:55,100
like a Smithsonian Institution in his

2398
01:56:59,020 --> 01:56:56,510
head like when you go to the Smithsonian

2399
01:57:00,880 --> 01:56:59,030
don't plan on looking at it in a day you

2400
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:00,890
got to take a week and walk around in it

2401
01:57:04,810 --> 01:57:02,960
and he had this warehouse of information

2402
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:04,820
in his head and I was like this little

2403
01:57:09,730 --> 01:57:07,370
kid just I love roaming around in that

2404
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:09,740
warehouse of knowledge in his head and

2405
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:11,330
towards the end I was kind of thinking

2406
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:12,650
you know I know more about what's in

2407
01:57:16,420 --> 01:57:14,090
your head than you do because I have to

2408
01:57:17,980 --> 01:57:16,430
remind you I'm not you know no it's just

2409
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:17,990
like he knew so much and he had so much

2410
01:57:21,790 --> 01:57:20,480
going on I'd still be interested in some

2411
01:57:23,500 --> 01:57:21,800
simple little thing he said you know

2412
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:23,510
five or six years ago and he's on to new

2413
01:57:28,210 --> 01:57:26,210
and better things and so it was

2414
01:57:29,890 --> 01:57:28,220
interesting to me because I used to tell

2415
01:57:31,630 --> 01:57:29,900
him that all the time that he he had the

2416
01:57:33,580 --> 01:57:31,640
Smithsonian Institution in his head and

2417
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:33,590
I've become kind of a librarian with a

2418
01:57:37,810 --> 01:57:35,330
coding system where I know where he

2419
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:37,820
keeps all the weird files and one of the

2420
01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:41,090
things that made our synergy work is I'm

2421
01:57:45,790 --> 01:57:43,730
very interested in esotericism and

2422
01:57:48,490 --> 01:57:45,800
Western esotericism and stuff and he's

2423
01:57:50,290 --> 01:57:48,500
he's aware of it he can speak to it and

2424
01:57:53,980 --> 01:57:50,300
really I would have to say he's one of

2425
01:57:55,930 --> 01:57:53,990
the most informed people about occult

2426
01:57:59,080 --> 01:57:55,940
and metaphysical things in the esoteric

2427
01:58:00,460 --> 01:57:59,090
nature and and yet he's so interested in

2428
01:58:03,550 --> 01:58:00,470
just all this practical science and

2429
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:03,560
geology and stuff so I really kind of

2430
01:58:09,220 --> 01:58:06,320
shined a light on these esoteric issues

2431
01:58:11,590 --> 01:58:09,230
and kind of psycho-spiritual issues that

2432
01:58:13,450 --> 01:58:11,600
weren't his normal for ray but that he

2433
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:13,460
really fluoresced when he talked about

2434
01:58:17,650 --> 01:58:16,130
these things and and I think that was

2435
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:17,660
part of the thing that gave magical

2436
01:58:21,460 --> 01:58:19,610
Egypt its legs because we're talking

2437
01:58:22,540 --> 01:58:21,470
into a community that's often overlooked

2438
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:22,550
and it's a massive

2439
01:58:27,580 --> 01:58:25,280
very you know I would large percentage

2440
01:58:29,230 --> 01:58:27,590
of creativity and original thinking in

2441
01:58:30,940 --> 01:58:29,240
the world over history and a large

2442
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:30,950
percentage of the best art is done by

2443
01:58:34,690 --> 01:58:32,930
this particular crowd and nobody ever

2444
01:58:36,820 --> 01:58:34,700
pays attention to them directly because

2445
01:58:38,020 --> 01:58:36,830
there's other crowds that get mad you

2446
01:58:40,330 --> 01:58:38,030
know when you bring up certain subjects

2447
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:40,340
and so he would just so effortlessly

2448
01:58:47,980 --> 01:58:42,290
could move from circle to circle to

2449
01:58:50,620 --> 01:58:47,990
circle but the vast variety and array of

2450
01:58:51,790 --> 01:58:50,630
things that he could speak to was just

2451
01:58:54,670 --> 01:58:51,800
another one of those things that made

2452
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:54,680
him superpower let's take a break right

2453
01:58:59,860 --> 01:58:56,960
here this is our John Anthony West

2454
01:59:02,530 --> 01:58:59,870
tribute special our guest right now is

2455
01:59:05,050 --> 01:59:02,540
chance Gardner from Australia director

2456
01:59:07,210 --> 01:59:05,060
of magical Egypt one in two with John

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01:59:09,580 --> 01:59:07,220
Anthony West and we're gonna continue

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our tribute right after this short break

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02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:13,960
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[Music]

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02:03:38,319 --> 02:03:35,210
welcome back fade to black

2545
02:03:43,330 --> 02:03:38,329
this is our John Anthony West special

2546
02:03:45,399 --> 02:03:43,340
tribute he passed away last week and

2547
02:03:47,740 --> 02:03:45,409
with this right now is chance Gardner

2548
02:03:50,649 --> 02:03:47,750
live from Australia he directed magical

2549
02:03:52,660 --> 02:03:50,659
Egypt 1 & 2 with John Anthony West and

2550
02:03:54,729 --> 02:03:52,670
I'm opening up the phone lines three two

2551
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:54,739
three eight to five five zero four five

2552
02:03:59,859 --> 02:03:58,010
and if you met John and you have a story

2553
02:04:03,189 --> 02:03:59,869
you'd like to share with this give us a

2554
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:03,199
call and there you go so I'm going to

2555
02:04:11,700 --> 02:04:04,400
open up the phone lines right now

2556
02:04:18,279 --> 02:04:11,710
now chance the restoration of the Sphinx

2557
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:18,289
yet do you think because of what you

2558
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:22,130
know jaws and and and Robert did well

2559
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:24,650
and and you pushing that along to with

2560
02:04:31,049 --> 02:04:28,159
the series do you think that that in in

2561
02:04:32,260 --> 02:04:31,059
a strange way maybe trying to cover up

2562
02:04:37,390 --> 02:04:32,270
John's

2563
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:37,400
research Zahi there were times when Zahi

2564
02:04:43,660 --> 02:04:40,880
physically chased John over the plateau

2565
02:04:45,879 --> 02:04:43,670
in his famous movie mystery of the

2566
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:45,889
Sphinx when he and Robert Schoch we're

2567
02:04:49,629 --> 02:04:47,840
doing seismographs you know sometimes in

2568
02:04:51,010 --> 02:04:49,639
Egypt if you want to get anything done

2569
02:04:52,689 --> 02:04:51,020
you just have to go do it if you start

2570
02:04:54,580 --> 02:04:52,699
asking for permission the hands come out

2571
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:54,590
and all of a sudden you're drowning in a

2572
02:04:58,120 --> 02:04:56,960
sea of bribes and stuff and so the best

2573
02:04:59,740 --> 02:04:58,130
way to get things done is kind of the

2574
02:05:05,049 --> 02:04:59,750
guerrilla method and John was never

2575
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:05,059
afraid of that and so frequently za he

2576
02:05:10,510 --> 02:05:08,719
would just shut him down and it took a

2577
02:05:11,919 --> 02:05:10,520
long time for them to reach this kind of

2578
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:11,929
date on where they were sort of

2579
02:05:20,649 --> 02:05:15,530
begrudging friends at the end but yeah

2580
02:05:23,140 --> 02:05:20,659
there was I cannot put this into words

2581
02:05:25,029 --> 02:05:23,150
yet and by the end of this series I hope

2582
02:05:27,790 --> 02:05:25,039
to put it into words there seems to be

2583
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:27,800
an institutional resistance to

2584
02:05:32,410 --> 02:05:30,320
acknowledging some little thing there's

2585
02:05:34,359 --> 02:05:32,420
something about our past that has to do

2586
02:05:36,580 --> 02:05:34,369
with ancient Egypt that we are forbidden

2587
02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:36,590
to know about I know it sounds like an

2588
02:05:41,979 --> 02:05:39,440
insane conspiracy theory but you know in

2589
02:05:42,660 --> 02:05:41,989
this day and age when Q is posting and

2590
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:42,670
in

2591
02:05:57,460 --> 02:05:55,010
you can watch the news and tell by the

2592
02:05:59,290 --> 02:05:57,470
way of stories structured whether it's a

2593
02:06:01,180 --> 02:05:59,300
press release or whether it's something

2594
02:06:03,550 --> 02:06:01,190
that is supposed to manipulate society

2595
02:06:04,930 --> 02:06:03,560
and suddenly there are very few genuine

2596
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:04,940
stories in the news they're always

2597
02:06:09,460 --> 02:06:07,130
generated by someone with an agenda and

2598
02:06:12,910 --> 02:06:09,470
through this occlusion this weird game

2599
02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:12,920
of Battleship you can kind of assess

2600
02:06:19,180 --> 02:06:16,340
someone's motives by the things that

2601
02:06:21,970 --> 02:06:19,190
they're most excited about avoiding and

2602
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:21,980
there's something about John and about

2603
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:24,050
Graham about Robert Bauval and I've

2604
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:26,210
certainly felt the bhoot felt that felt

2605
02:06:30,340 --> 02:06:28,070
the heel of this that there's something

2606
02:06:32,830 --> 02:06:30,350
about our past that we're not allowed to

2607
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:32,840
know and the Sphinx and the Giza Plateau

2608
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:35,930
is central in this and maybe very well

2609
02:06:39,150 --> 02:06:37,850
what's in the pyramid I mean I'd be so

2610
02:06:41,710 --> 02:06:39,160
surprised if they didn't absolutely

2611
02:06:43,390 --> 02:06:41,720
completely already know what that extra

2612
02:06:45,550 --> 02:06:43,400
room within the room was in the pyramid

2613
02:06:46,900 --> 02:06:45,560
and that we're just not allowed to know

2614
02:06:48,490 --> 02:06:46,910
about it and I don't you know I'm not

2615
02:06:50,170 --> 02:06:48,500
here to have to beat on anybody or you

2616
02:06:53,410 --> 02:06:50,180
know the point fingers but there are

2617
02:06:55,170 --> 02:06:53,420
people in the administrative setup of

2618
02:06:59,040 --> 02:06:55,180
the Department of Antiquities

2619
02:07:02,200 --> 02:06:59,050
you would think their job is to

2620
02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:02,210
constantly be trying to generate new

2621
02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:04,370
information and new findings about this

2622
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:06,710
mysterious place but in practice if you

2623
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:09,410
watch them every single act they take is

2624
02:07:14,700 --> 02:07:12,110
to reduce the amount suppress the

2625
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:14,710
information and restrict our ability to

2626
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:17,090
reconstruct this secret from the past

2627
02:07:22,660 --> 02:07:20,570
and so I wouldn't care to speculate on

2628
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:22,670
why that is but the fact that it does

2629
02:07:27,010 --> 02:07:24,170
happen I think is getting harder and

2630
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:27,020
harder to deny but let's grab a quick

2631
02:07:30,810 --> 02:07:28,880
phone call hi you're live on fade to

2632
02:07:34,030 --> 02:07:30,820
black

2633
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:34,040
you're live hello yes you're live who's

2634
02:07:40,660 --> 02:07:36,770
calling hello this is Arnold hiya

2635
02:07:42,910 --> 02:07:40,670
Connolly see ya we had a great

2636
02:07:48,750 --> 02:07:42,920
experience with John Anthony West in

2637
02:07:51,070 --> 02:07:48,760
2005 on the Giza Plateau and touring and

2638
02:07:54,010 --> 02:07:51,080
he was just amazing wealth of knowledge

2639
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:54,020
the things that he showed us there was

2640
02:07:59,319 --> 02:07:56,239
this one area just south of the Sphinx

2641
02:08:02,169 --> 02:07:59,329
so I guess it's a little bit east of the

2642
02:08:04,029 --> 02:08:02,179
pyramids where there was a temple and he

2643
02:08:06,580 --> 02:08:04,039
pointed to a corner of it where had been

2644
02:08:09,910 --> 02:08:06,590
broken off and you could see behind this

2645
02:08:13,569 --> 02:08:09,920
what was modern or more pyramid age type

2646
02:08:17,439 --> 02:08:13,579
temple but underneath it was eroded an

2647
02:08:18,910 --> 02:08:17,449
older temple much much older and there

2648
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:18,920
was just so much knowledge and

2649
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:20,570
information he had and it was just just

2650
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:23,840
amazing that we got it the chance to

2651
02:08:28,270 --> 02:08:26,210
share that experience only one day were

2652
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:28,280
on Giza with him was was hardly enough

2653
02:08:31,660 --> 02:08:30,530
to learn as much as what he had but it

2654
02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:31,670
was just so wonderful

2655
02:08:38,970 --> 02:08:35,119
and you know we have pictures I put us

2656
02:08:42,370 --> 02:08:38,980
few up here to show but it was great I

2657
02:08:46,479 --> 02:08:42,380
just loved ya your pictures are

2658
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:46,489
absolutely incredible now Arnold he just

2659
02:08:49,390 --> 02:08:48,079
posted these in Twitter chance you need

2660
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:49,400
to check these out they're really cool

2661
02:08:54,459 --> 02:08:52,130
but the and Thank You Arnold for that

2662
02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:54,469
let me ask you a question you said that

2663
02:09:02,410 --> 02:08:56,570
he pointed at this temple What did he

2664
02:09:05,709 --> 02:09:02,420
say about the temple well he showed how

2665
02:09:10,359 --> 02:09:05,719
apparently evident it was that this

2666
02:09:11,799 --> 02:09:10,369
stuff even though it was common I'll say

2667
02:09:13,839 --> 02:09:11,809
three and a half thousand years old or

2668
02:09:16,689 --> 02:09:13,849
whatever it was contemporary with the

2669
02:09:18,850 --> 02:09:16,699
pyramid age but underneath it was

2670
02:09:22,660 --> 02:09:18,860
something much much older it was greatly

2671
02:09:25,479 --> 02:09:22,670
eroded and you had made you wonder what

2672
02:09:28,330 --> 02:09:25,489
the heck really is going on here and

2673
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:28,340
when we were at the Great Pyramid I have

2674
02:09:39,399 --> 02:09:37,270
but why the life go ahead we lost two

2675
02:09:41,259 --> 02:09:39,409
life builder Arnold we lost what you

2676
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:41,269
said you dropped out you said you took

2677
02:09:48,399 --> 02:09:45,130
the picture of the Great Pyramid and oh

2678
02:09:51,310 --> 02:09:48,409
the limestone original casings on the

2679
02:09:53,259 --> 02:09:51,320
lower of the Great Pyramid I greatly

2680
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:53,269
eroded I mean you could look at them and

2681
02:09:58,839 --> 02:09:56,239
could tell that this was not just a

2682
02:10:02,200 --> 02:09:58,849
light rain fall that's done this these

2683
02:10:03,879 --> 02:10:02,210
things are really really old and so

2684
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:03,889
that's that's just what I wanted to

2685
02:10:07,479 --> 02:10:05,570
point out to be able to look at that

2686
02:10:09,259 --> 02:10:07,489
erosion on what is left of the original

2687
02:10:11,719 --> 02:10:09,269
casing stones on

2688
02:10:14,179 --> 02:10:11,729
nor sight of the Great Pyramid and

2689
02:10:18,799 --> 02:10:14,189
you've got to wonder what really how old

2690
02:10:21,889 --> 02:10:18,809
is this yeah and thank you for your

2691
02:10:26,419 --> 02:10:21,899
memory of John and and in the

2692
02:10:28,939 --> 02:10:26,429
photographs but before I let you go what

2693
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:28,949
was the one thing because I know you got

2694
02:10:34,429 --> 02:10:32,639
I know you have one memory of many but

2695
02:10:36,829 --> 02:10:34,439
what was the funniest thing that

2696
02:10:40,129 --> 02:10:36,839
happened with John I know we cracked a

2697
02:10:43,419 --> 02:10:40,139
joke he said something that that that

2698
02:10:48,939 --> 02:10:43,429
was left with you share that with us

2699
02:10:51,889 --> 02:10:48,949
well it was I can't remember

2700
02:10:56,299 --> 02:10:51,899
specifically but the way the way he

2701
02:10:59,539 --> 02:10:56,309
would talk about the academics and how

2702
02:11:06,439 --> 02:10:59,549
they they don't really know the geology

2703
02:11:11,179 --> 02:11:06,449
and looking at the the the inner area of

2704
02:11:13,939 --> 02:11:11,189
the Sphinx where its eroded so so

2705
02:11:17,269 --> 02:11:13,949
greatly and that they really don't have

2706
02:11:19,339 --> 02:11:17,279
an explanation for that and so it's it's

2707
02:11:23,989 --> 02:11:19,349
there are so many things but I mean I

2708
02:11:25,849 --> 02:11:23,999
think that that the quack identic term

2709
02:11:27,319 --> 02:11:25,859
and the way to use that once was one of

2710
02:11:29,179 --> 02:11:27,329
the things I don't just never forget

2711
02:11:31,039 --> 02:11:29,189
yeah you're absolutely right Arnold

2712
02:11:32,809 --> 02:11:31,049
thank you for sharing that with us on

2713
02:11:35,809 --> 02:11:32,819
this very special night my friend I

2714
02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:35,819
really appreciate it thank you yeah

2715
02:11:41,929 --> 02:11:38,729
thank you yeah what a great memory right

2716
02:11:44,959 --> 02:11:41,939
there a chance you know he he's doing a

2717
02:11:47,629 --> 02:11:44,969
private tour on the Giza Plateau and

2718
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:47,639
quacky demux who was part of the package

2719
02:11:51,769 --> 02:11:50,729
I know exactly where that place is that

2720
02:11:53,029 --> 02:11:51,779
Arnold was talking about it's in the

2721
02:11:54,589 --> 02:11:53,039
valley temple right in front of those

2722
02:11:56,599 --> 02:11:54,599
next to his Fink's that's the place that

2723
02:11:58,699 --> 02:11:56,609
looks like the Osirian and it looks more

2724
02:12:03,769 --> 02:11:58,709
like Stonehenge than any other Egyptian

2725
02:12:05,479 --> 02:12:03,779
stuff so it's vastly ancient and yet he

2726
02:12:07,429 --> 02:12:05,489
would show this in this very sort of

2727
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:07,439
Nash a long matter-of-fact way that

2728
02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:09,119
there are parts of this place where the

2729
02:12:12,679 --> 02:12:10,729
casing stones have fallen away and

2730
02:12:14,359 --> 02:12:12,689
showing that these casing stones were

2731
02:12:16,339 --> 02:12:14,369
put over a structure that already

2732
02:12:18,199 --> 02:12:16,349
existed and stones had that same

2733
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:18,209
weathering that you know conservative

2734
02:12:20,539 --> 02:12:19,199
people you were just talking to shocked

2735
02:12:22,410 --> 02:12:20,549
and shocked has always taken a more

2736
02:12:23,850 --> 02:12:22,420
conservative viewpoint but

2737
02:12:25,620 --> 02:12:23,860
you look at these things you look at

2738
02:12:27,810 --> 02:12:25,630
them and they might be millions of years

2739
02:12:29,010 --> 02:12:27,820
old and by the way these rocks are and

2740
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:29,020
if you know much about the way rocks

2741
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:33,730
road could be vastly I always like John

2742
02:12:38,220 --> 02:12:36,400
leaving the door open for this might be

2743
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:38,230
he said one time if the truth were ever

2744
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:40,239
known about this place this would be so

2745
02:12:44,220 --> 02:12:42,730
staggeringly old that no one would know

2746
02:12:45,959 --> 02:12:44,230
what to say about it we'd all just

2747
02:12:48,810 --> 02:12:45,969
interruption making our heads for a week

2748
02:12:53,070 --> 02:12:48,820
yeah that you're right about Robert and

2749
02:12:55,979 --> 02:12:53,080
I have to give Robert the credit where

2750
02:13:00,060 --> 02:12:55,989
he stuck his neck out as far as he could

2751
02:13:03,510 --> 02:13:00,070
and he could have gone further but he

2752
02:13:05,490 --> 02:13:03,520
can't yeah you know he's got eyes he can

2753
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:05,500
look around he knows what's really going

2754
02:13:11,610 --> 02:13:08,320
on he's taking it pretty far and he's

2755
02:13:15,330 --> 02:13:11,620
gonna continue West's work but that

2756
02:13:20,490 --> 02:13:15,340
being said John said to me once he said

2757
02:13:23,820 --> 02:13:20,500
look man the pyramids and Giza most

2758
02:13:27,570 --> 02:13:23,830
likely was built on top of another

2759
02:13:31,770 --> 02:13:27,580
sacred site that was sacred to them that

2760
02:13:33,959 --> 02:13:31,780
is much much older and goes way back you

2761
02:13:35,550 --> 02:13:33,969
know because I've always asked him you

2762
02:13:37,290 --> 02:13:35,560
know what else is to be found are there

2763
02:13:39,180 --> 02:13:37,300
tunnels you know there are things

2764
02:13:41,669 --> 02:13:39,190
underneath there you know the part of

2765
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:41,679
the sphinx edgar cayce you know we

2766
02:13:46,860 --> 02:13:45,130
brought up the obvious stuff he he took

2767
02:13:49,050 --> 02:13:46,870
it a step further you know that the

2768
02:13:51,060 --> 02:13:49,060
pyramids were built there not to build

2769
02:13:55,260 --> 02:13:51,070
the pyramids but because it was already

2770
02:13:58,439 --> 02:13:55,270
a sacred location an older temple that

2771
02:14:00,780 --> 02:13:58,449
we have no idea how old it is and that's

2772
02:14:03,780 --> 02:14:00,790
that's a very interesting aspect of it

2773
02:14:05,700 --> 02:14:03,790
and you're saying that you saw the exact

2774
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:05,710
same thing that it's just obvious but

2775
02:14:09,990 --> 02:14:08,050
nobody wants to mention it it's there

2776
02:14:11,970 --> 02:14:10,000
and everybody looks at it everybody

2777
02:14:13,380 --> 02:14:11,980
walks by it it's so I mean it's so

2778
02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:13,390
obvious it's just right there and that's

2779
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:15,130
not just like this one thing it's the

2780
02:14:18,540 --> 02:14:16,810
point of John's tours because you take

2781
02:14:20,910 --> 02:14:18,550
you to every place like that in Egypt

2782
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:20,920
and every single structure the temples

2783
02:14:24,959 --> 02:14:22,960
lesson the temples seem to be discrete

2784
02:14:27,300 --> 02:14:24,969
and self-contained in this time except

2785
02:14:29,070 --> 02:14:27,310
for Abydos which they seem to have been

2786
02:14:30,959 --> 02:14:29,080
digging the foundation of Abydos when

2787
02:14:32,550 --> 02:14:30,969
they found the Osirian mm-hmm because

2788
02:14:33,810 --> 02:14:32,560
Abydos Temple is the only temple that

2789
02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:33,820
turns I don't know if you ever noticed

2790
02:14:36,010 --> 02:14:35,110
that but none of the other temples take

2791
02:14:38,020 --> 02:14:36,020
a hard right

2792
02:14:39,820 --> 02:14:38,030
like that and it looks like they were

2793
02:14:41,590 --> 02:14:39,830
building Abydos and they had to

2794
02:14:43,060 --> 02:14:41,600
literally modify their plan midway

2795
02:14:45,010 --> 02:14:43,070
through because part of the foundational

2796
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:45,020
process they unearthed the Assyrian

2797
02:14:54,070 --> 02:14:49,130
which was 32 or 33 feet below below

2798
02:14:55,180 --> 02:14:54,080
ground level and and that was historic

2799
02:14:58,780 --> 02:14:55,190
that was what's so special about his

2800
02:15:00,970 --> 02:14:58,790
tour and another funny thing related to

2801
02:15:02,590 --> 02:15:00,980
this was I've never it's usually pretty

2802
02:15:04,180 --> 02:15:02,600
vulgar when someone says I told you so

2803
02:15:06,010 --> 02:15:04,190
you know and the first thing you learn

2804
02:15:10,060 --> 02:15:06,020
in a relationship never say I told you

2805
02:15:12,010 --> 02:15:10,070
so but John was so good and he would get

2806
02:15:13,780 --> 02:15:12,020
in these fights he's really contentious

2807
02:15:15,310 --> 02:15:13,790
you know a lot of academic people aren't

2808
02:15:17,380 --> 02:15:15,320
they're not renowned for their sense of

2809
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:17,390
humor you know and sometimes they didn't

2810
02:15:21,370 --> 02:15:19,250
understand that John was partially being

2811
02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:21,380
theatrical when he had barb and joust

2812
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:23,450
with him but one of the things he said

2813
02:15:26,410 --> 02:15:25,010
there's some woman that was just really

2814
02:15:29,170 --> 02:15:26,420
full of herself and was trying to beat

2815
02:15:31,210 --> 02:15:29,180
John down and John it says to her by the

2816
02:15:32,980 --> 02:15:31,220
end of this you will have eaten so much

2817
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:32,990
crow that there'll be an endangered

2818
02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:37,850
species after that John and I would talk

2819
02:15:41,290 --> 02:15:39,410
about you know as a graphic designers

2820
02:15:43,120 --> 02:15:41,300
might you know my original core

2821
02:15:45,070 --> 02:15:43,130
strengths I'd always wanted to actually

2822
02:15:46,900 --> 02:15:45,080
print a book that was the crow cookbook

2823
02:15:49,060 --> 02:15:46,910
so that John could send it to all the

2824
02:15:53,050 --> 02:15:49,070
people that he's proven wrong this was

2825
02:15:55,180 --> 02:15:53,060
on a tour yeah this woman mode oh this

2826
02:15:57,220 --> 02:15:55,190
was one of his many fights with academia

2827
02:15:58,660 --> 02:15:57,230
that took place over email and stuff he

2828
02:16:00,220 --> 02:15:58,670
was he spent his whole life fighting

2829
02:16:02,050 --> 02:16:00,230
with people he used to call it

2830
02:16:04,510 --> 02:16:02,060
goaltending I'm goaltending listening

2831
02:16:07,300 --> 02:16:04,520
Siri so he's constantly in bitter

2832
02:16:11,220 --> 02:16:07,310
battles with academia when was the last

2833
02:16:14,350 --> 02:16:11,230
time you spoke to John oh my god

2834
02:16:16,630 --> 02:16:14,360
well email you know the whole time and

2835
02:16:17,230 --> 02:16:16,640
oh I don't want to start crying on your

2836
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:17,240
show

2837
02:16:22,090 --> 02:16:19,850
Zeek put the phone up to his ear right

2838
02:16:28,030 --> 02:16:22,100
like the day before you know his last is

2839
02:16:31,210 --> 02:16:28,040
last day basically among us okay

2840
02:16:34,750 --> 02:16:31,220
well was he aware the reason why I'm

2841
02:16:36,220 --> 02:16:34,760
asking is and I'll get the lump out of

2842
02:16:39,670 --> 02:16:36,230
your throat right now the reason why I'm

2843
02:16:42,730 --> 02:16:39,680
asking is was he aware of the chamber

2844
02:16:44,290 --> 02:16:42,740
that was just discovered well you know

2845
02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:44,300
the funny thing is it's been just

2846
02:16:47,950 --> 02:16:46,490
discovered over and over again they knew

2847
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:47,960
about it in the 40s they knew I mean

2848
02:16:51,580 --> 02:16:49,490
it's just it's always been there

2849
02:16:53,260 --> 02:16:51,590
the thing that infuriates me is all that

2850
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:53,270
stuff was there I was there once when

2851
02:16:57,370 --> 02:16:55,010
there was this dig and there's this

2852
02:16:59,170 --> 02:16:57,380
whole massive complex underground where

2853
02:17:01,330 --> 02:16:59,180
tourists walk and you know where you buy

2854
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:01,340
Kentucky Fried Chicken you have the most

2855
02:17:05,410 --> 02:17:04,010
vulgar fast-food restaurants and stuff

2856
02:17:07,210 --> 02:17:05,420
if you just look the other way from that

2857
02:17:08,350 --> 02:17:07,220
iconic view of the pyramid miss Fink

2858
02:17:09,970 --> 02:17:08,360
you're just standing in front of the

2859
02:17:12,820 --> 02:17:09,980
track well this place that's not very

2860
02:17:14,350 --> 02:17:12,830
well kept up and that whole place that

2861
02:17:16,180 --> 02:17:14,360
tourists stand when they're taking their

2862
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:16,190
photographs of the Sphinx is something

2863
02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:18,170
and the chambers under the Sphinx John

2864
02:17:21,580 --> 02:17:19,790
kind of found him through seismograph

2865
02:17:22,990 --> 02:17:21,590
but you know back in the 40s they were

2866
02:17:25,150 --> 02:17:23,000
talking about it your case he was all

2867
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:25,160
about it then that hole on top of the

2868
02:17:28,750 --> 02:17:26,810
Sphinx his head that means somewhere

2869
02:17:30,310 --> 02:17:28,760
that nobody wants to acknowledge and all

2870
02:17:34,060 --> 02:17:30,320
the way back to Herodotus you know

2871
02:17:36,130 --> 02:17:34,070
Herodotus and Pythagoras

2872
02:17:38,710 --> 02:17:36,140
but Herodotus wrote he spent his whole

2873
02:17:41,950 --> 02:17:38,720
life you know mapping out all the stuff

2874
02:17:44,470 --> 02:17:41,960
that was there so I just it's I hate to

2875
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:44,480
be a broken record but um none of this

2876
02:17:48,850 --> 02:17:46,490
stuff has ever been secret it's just

2877
02:17:50,830 --> 02:17:48,860
that the media or you know the

2878
02:17:52,180 --> 02:17:50,840
authorities and the gatekeepers really

2879
02:17:54,730 --> 02:17:52,190
go out of their way to keep us from

2880
02:17:57,520 --> 02:17:54,740
having ready access to the the

2881
02:18:01,960 --> 02:17:57,530
unexplainable stuff well but was he

2882
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:01,970
aware of you know the recent radar you

2883
02:18:10,210 --> 02:18:05,210
know the the the pyramid scan project

2884
02:18:12,640 --> 02:18:10,220
and talk to him about that the Moulin

2885
02:18:15,970 --> 02:18:12,650
thing that Jeff was he he was all over

2886
02:18:17,860 --> 02:18:15,980
Gant and brink and Bauval become real

2887
02:18:20,650 --> 02:18:17,870
good friends with above all lately and

2888
02:18:22,780 --> 02:18:20,660
he was really good friends with Ganton

2889
02:18:24,910 --> 02:18:22,790
brink but these new people you know are

2890
02:18:26,410 --> 02:18:24,920
just so out of left field and I didn't

2891
02:18:27,970 --> 02:18:26,420
know much about them at all I really

2892
02:18:29,740 --> 02:18:27,980
didn't pay attention because you know

2893
02:18:31,360 --> 02:18:29,750
I'm just I'm not very optimistic about

2894
02:18:33,490 --> 02:18:31,370
some revelation coming out of ancient

2895
02:18:35,980 --> 02:18:33,500
Egypt at this point so I've never got a

2896
02:18:37,870 --> 02:18:35,990
chance to talk to him about that and I

2897
02:18:40,420 --> 02:18:37,880
frequently asked him and you know

2898
02:18:43,300 --> 02:18:40,430
there's a really cool really mysterious

2899
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:43,310
guy named Mohammed that is the is the

2900
02:18:48,190 --> 02:18:46,090
sledgehammer he's got his new Boris ie

2901
02:18:50,710 --> 02:18:48,200
Muhammad is the man on the ground and he

2902
02:18:52,180 --> 02:18:50,720
runs quest travel Hamid nas meep so if

2903
02:18:54,820 --> 02:18:52,190
you ever want to go to Egypt Tran fine

2904
02:18:56,140 --> 02:18:54,830
I'm agnostic quest travel and Mohammed

2905
02:18:57,760 --> 02:18:56,150
lives there you know and he's actually

2906
02:18:58,990 --> 02:18:57,770
really he's one of those players so he's

2907
02:19:00,760 --> 02:18:59,000
friends was ah he's friends with

2908
02:19:02,830 --> 02:19:00,770
everybody and he has to be you know make

2909
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:02,840
sure the doors are open to you and stuff

2910
02:19:08,740 --> 02:19:07,250
and I think that there's no secrets I

2911
02:19:11,679 --> 02:19:08,750
think it's being kept from us but I

2912
02:19:13,419 --> 02:19:11,689
think that that stuff's know and those

2913
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:13,429
little 10 year old Egyptian boys you

2914
02:19:16,660 --> 02:19:15,200
know get into everything and there's so

2915
02:19:18,400 --> 02:19:16,670
many things have been found by just

2916
02:19:19,929 --> 02:19:18,410
little kids playing and all of a sudden

2917
02:19:21,759 --> 02:19:19,939
here's this stone that's loose and I

2918
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:21,769
pick it up and there's a passageway

2919
02:19:25,299 --> 02:19:24,170
underneath there's this little room at

2920
02:19:27,129 --> 02:19:25,309
the back of dimmed area where the

2921
02:19:28,750 --> 02:19:27,139
lightbulb is that is literally there's a

2922
02:19:29,980 --> 02:19:28,760
loose stone on the floor and you'd never

2923
02:19:31,629 --> 02:19:29,990
know it was there except some little

2924
02:19:33,339 --> 02:19:31,639
ten-year-old boy was goofing around I

2925
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,349
don't know not like tens magic number

2926
02:19:36,940 --> 02:19:35,120
you know what I mean little kids playing

2927
02:19:38,379 --> 02:19:36,950
around all the time one time I was

2928
02:19:40,299 --> 02:19:38,389
riding my bike through the Valley of the

2929
02:19:41,889 --> 02:19:40,309
Kings which is a bad idea and summertime

2930
02:19:44,349 --> 02:19:41,899
and I see some little kids playing off

2931
02:19:45,759 --> 02:19:44,359
in the distance and they're all playing

2932
02:19:47,500 --> 02:19:45,769
and just doing kid stuff and I'm riding

2933
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:47,510
by on my bike and it's kind of quiet and

2934
02:19:50,380 --> 02:19:48,890
I hear them I'll get excited and I look

2935
02:19:52,030 --> 02:19:50,390
over and they hold this thing up it's

2936
02:19:53,950 --> 02:19:52,040
like this giant cool prize that they've

2937
02:19:56,380 --> 02:19:53,960
just found and it was a mummified human

2938
02:19:57,610 --> 02:19:56,390
hand that these little you know seven

2939
02:19:59,050 --> 02:19:57,620
eight nine year olds found and they

2940
02:20:00,580 --> 02:19:59,060
start playing with it and thrown like a

2941
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:00,590
frisbee and playing football with it and

2942
02:20:04,300 --> 02:20:03,290
that desert for you know tens of

2943
02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:04,310
thousands of years people have been

2944
02:20:07,719 --> 02:20:06,080
fallen over in the desert and because

2945
02:20:09,190 --> 02:20:07,729
there's no moisture it's a natural

2946
02:20:10,780 --> 02:20:09,200
mummification process well you're

2947
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:10,790
mummified or not you're gonna turn into

2948
02:20:15,730 --> 02:20:11,359
jerky

2949
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:15,740
there's just stuff all the time but

2950
02:20:19,300 --> 02:20:17,570
there and that keeps getting found and

2951
02:20:21,460 --> 02:20:19,310
reburied and refound and reburied

2952
02:20:23,050 --> 02:20:21,470
there's one a giant trash you know

2953
02:20:25,540 --> 02:20:23,060
there's a trash bin like literally a

2954
02:20:27,490 --> 02:20:25,550
garbage dump in the oldest most

2955
02:20:30,099 --> 02:20:27,500
mysterious and certainly the largest

2956
02:20:31,570 --> 02:20:30,109
ruin in Egypt and they declared that it

2957
02:20:33,160 --> 02:20:31,580
was part of the military base and no one

2958
02:20:35,380 --> 02:20:33,170
could go there and then it went even

2959
02:20:37,690 --> 02:20:35,390
farther to fill it with trash so you can

2960
02:20:40,090 --> 02:20:37,700
watch youtubes about it and it's just

2961
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:40,100
there and it's massive and like alien

2962
02:20:44,050 --> 02:20:42,530
big and they don't want to talk about it

2963
02:20:45,880 --> 02:20:44,060
so it's all full of trash and it's on an

2964
02:20:48,429 --> 02:20:45,890
army base so you can't ever look at it

2965
02:20:50,980 --> 02:20:48,439
again yeah when you look and I do this

2966
02:20:53,650 --> 02:20:50,990
all the time you go to Google Earth and

2967
02:20:57,550 --> 02:20:53,660
and poke around the Giza Plateau and

2968
02:21:00,520 --> 02:20:57,560
expand and search it's all military land

2969
02:21:01,450 --> 02:21:00,530
right you know you go a little bit off

2970
02:21:03,580 --> 02:21:01,460
of the Nile

2971
02:21:11,230 --> 02:21:03,590
you know you head west everything is

2972
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:11,240
military and off-limits it's sand bits

2973
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:14,240
of glass here and there I man I'm I have

2974
02:21:18,220 --> 02:21:16,610
nothing but empathy for

2975
02:21:19,841 --> 02:21:18,230
you're kidding you're at loose ends and

2976
02:21:21,820 --> 02:21:19,851
you're just knocking around Egypt odds

2977
02:21:23,291 --> 02:21:21,830
are you're gonna end up in the army and

2978
02:21:24,881 --> 02:21:23,301
once you're in the army

2979
02:21:26,020 --> 02:21:24,891
I have a special sympathy for this

2980
02:21:28,211 --> 02:21:26,030
because right now it's about a hundred

2981
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:28,221
and eighty degrees in Australia just

2982
02:21:32,980 --> 02:21:31,370
crazy hot but nothing like Egypt and the

2983
02:21:34,690 --> 02:21:32,990
one time that I went to Egypt in the

2984
02:21:36,610 --> 02:21:34,700
summertime you'd be walking through

2985
02:21:38,171 --> 02:21:36,620
Tyrone literally you're wearing this few

2986
02:21:39,461 --> 02:21:38,181
clothes as possible and you're drenched

2987
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:39,471
with sweat and you're drinking like you

2988
02:21:42,400 --> 02:21:40,880
drink a two liter bottle of water and

2989
02:21:44,410 --> 02:21:42,410
you never pee cuz it just comes out your

2990
02:21:46,211 --> 02:21:44,420
pores it's so hot and so miserable so

2991
02:21:48,820 --> 02:21:46,221
now imagine you're an eighteen year old

2992
02:21:51,370 --> 02:21:48,830
dude you're in the army you have to wear

2993
02:21:54,041 --> 02:21:51,380
this black wool it wasn't cotton it was

2994
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:54,051
a wool army suit with a hat and you have

2995
02:21:58,001 --> 02:21:56,210
to stand at attention on a street corner

2996
02:22:00,461 --> 02:21:58,011
with your rifle and not do anything all

2997
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:00,471
day you can't get in the shade when you

2998
02:22:03,940 --> 02:22:02,210
pull into the airport there's a row of

2999
02:22:07,091 --> 02:22:03,950
these kids they're soldiers but there's

3000
02:22:11,740 --> 02:22:07,101
kids you know and it's miserable it's

3001
02:22:14,470 --> 02:22:11,750
miserable and it's just so incredibly

3002
02:22:16,900 --> 02:22:14,480
hot there and I felt so sorry for those

3003
02:22:18,100 --> 02:22:16,910
poor people and it really makes you

3004
02:22:19,511 --> 02:22:18,110
appreciate you know fewer and fewer

3005
02:22:21,940 --> 02:22:19,521
people it's and positive things about

3006
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:21,950
America these days but there's nothing

3007
02:22:25,001 --> 02:22:23,690
like a trip to the third world so make

3008
02:22:28,450 --> 02:22:25,011
you appreciate the few remaining

3009
02:22:30,511 --> 02:22:28,460
liberties we still have and was what do

3010
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:30,521
you think I know you heard Roberts

3011
02:22:38,831 --> 02:22:33,040
answer to this but do you think that

3012
02:22:41,591 --> 02:22:38,841
that John was aware of his impact I mean

3013
02:22:44,261 --> 02:22:41,601
because it's just I think that all of us

3014
02:22:47,881 --> 02:22:44,271
appreciate it but was John was John

3015
02:22:49,660 --> 02:22:47,891
aware of that we had hilarious

3016
02:22:51,581 --> 02:22:49,670
conversations about this I remember one

3017
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:51,591
time at UCLA we had to sneak in DC LA

3018
02:22:54,910 --> 02:22:52,730
and we weren't supposed to be there so

3019
02:22:57,011 --> 02:22:54,920
if you watch like magical Egypt episode

3020
02:22:58,331 --> 02:22:57,021
two of the original series Johnson a

3021
02:22:59,860 --> 02:22:58,341
library and he's talking but he's

3022
02:23:01,120 --> 02:22:59,870
talking in really hushed tones and I'm

3023
02:23:03,671 --> 02:23:01,130
really close to him and we just totally

3024
02:23:05,740 --> 02:23:03,681
weren't supposed to be there but on that

3025
02:23:07,930 --> 02:23:05,750
day I really distinctly remember we're

3026
02:23:09,070 --> 02:23:07,940
walking through the campus and we're

3027
02:23:11,051 --> 02:23:09,080
both kind of seeing is anybody gonna

3028
02:23:12,970 --> 02:23:11,061
recognize John all the time you know in

3029
02:23:14,980 --> 02:23:12,980
Egypt just random people would you just

3030
02:23:17,620 --> 02:23:14,990
see him freeze and turn ashen face like

3031
02:23:18,970 --> 02:23:17,630
oh my god there's John West right and so

3032
02:23:20,831 --> 02:23:18,980
we're walking through UCLA and we're

3033
02:23:23,110 --> 02:23:20,841
having this talk and he's trying to tell

3034
02:23:24,280 --> 02:23:23,120
me we're trying to figure out how famous

3035
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:24,290
he is and we're trying to figure out

3036
02:23:29,210 --> 02:23:26,240
this grid like well I'm not staying

3037
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:31,190
one name and I kept saying look there's

3038
02:23:34,729 --> 02:23:32,880
there's famous and there's important

3039
02:23:36,229 --> 02:23:34,739
there's historical figures and you know

3040
02:23:38,179 --> 02:23:36,239
there's a lot of really superficial

3041
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:38,189
people that are famous but it was funny

3042
02:23:44,030 --> 02:23:39,210
that it was something that he and I

3043
02:23:45,860 --> 02:23:44,040
would talk about a lot oh oh sorry I

3044
02:23:47,420 --> 02:23:45,870
guess you're the metric of that is the

3045
02:23:48,860 --> 02:23:47,430
density of how many times you get

3046
02:23:51,139 --> 02:23:48,870
recognized out in the real world which

3047
02:23:55,309 --> 02:23:51,149
happened to him a lot yes ding famous

3048
02:24:00,590 --> 02:23:55,319
that's pretty funny we had that

3049
02:24:03,679 --> 02:24:00,600
conversation and and the the opposition

3050
02:24:07,580 --> 02:24:03,689
that he got from the Egyptologist in in

3051
02:24:11,900 --> 02:24:07,590
Cairo did he let it affect him did he

3052
02:24:14,599 --> 02:24:11,910
care he burned he had I mean it's it's

3053
02:24:16,460 --> 02:24:14,609
hard to explain you know John was from

3054
02:24:17,900 --> 02:24:16,470
the old school he was from that era of

3055
02:24:19,250 --> 02:24:17,910
Education that doesn't exist anymore

3056
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:19,260
where they taught you how to think

3057
02:24:22,420 --> 02:24:20,250
instead of what to think

3058
02:24:24,830 --> 02:24:22,430
right and he had this gentlemanly

3059
02:24:27,580 --> 02:24:24,840
masculinity about him that just simply

3060
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:27,590
does not exist anymore that old world

3061
02:24:35,540 --> 02:24:32,000
wonderfulness and bigness of spirit and

3062
02:24:38,090 --> 02:24:35,550
he he so he never got ugly and he never

3063
02:24:42,530 --> 02:24:38,100
got mean but man he sure never back down

3064
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:42,540
and constantly ready to jump on somebody

3065
02:24:48,429 --> 02:24:46,050
that tried to dispute or you know

3066
02:24:51,650 --> 02:24:48,439
present facts that weren't the case and

3067
02:24:52,540 --> 02:24:51,660
but it's saying it in those terms would

3068
02:24:55,490 --> 02:24:52,550
he do this

3069
02:24:57,440 --> 02:24:55,500
would he do did he have that face to

3070
02:25:00,830 --> 02:24:57,450
face would he do this face to face or

3071
02:25:02,630 --> 02:25:00,840
was he oh yeah he's like a pit bull he

3072
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:02,640
was fearless he'd go out of his way and

3073
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:04,800
it would happen so quick as I keep using

3074
02:25:09,620 --> 02:25:06,930
that sword fighter metaphor or you know

3075
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:09,630
Sweeney Todd with the shaver

3076
02:25:16,490 --> 02:25:13,050
right it was so quick to eviscerate and

3077
02:25:17,960 --> 02:25:16,500
that I I'm just been sort of a pacifist

3078
02:25:19,700 --> 02:25:17,970
and whenever somebody gets really angry

3079
02:25:22,190 --> 02:25:19,710
around me I just shut down you know but

3080
02:25:23,929 --> 02:25:22,200
he would just he would rise to the

3081
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:23,939
occasion he'd get even quicker and

3082
02:25:28,460 --> 02:25:26,250
sharper and with just two or three words

3083
02:25:30,290 --> 02:25:28,470
he could take people apart and was not

3084
02:25:32,450 --> 02:25:30,300
like he was such a gentle man but when

3085
02:25:34,280 --> 02:25:32,460
the time came to be confrontational he

3086
02:25:36,769 --> 02:25:34,290
did not I mean he rose to the challenge

3087
02:25:38,809 --> 02:25:36,779
and he was so good at it and it was

3088
02:25:39,769 --> 02:25:38,819
another one of those things that it's

3089
02:25:41,420 --> 02:25:39,779
from kind of why I say he was a

3090
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:41,430
substitute father figure for me because

3091
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:42,640
I really learned the art

3092
02:25:47,429 --> 02:25:44,800
of being confrontational while still

3093
02:25:49,769 --> 02:25:47,439
retaining your dignity in your style can

3094
02:25:52,290 --> 02:25:49,779
I get you to hang on check well do a

3095
02:25:54,540 --> 02:25:52,300
little little overtime tonight I'm not

3096
02:25:56,610 --> 02:25:54,550
I'm not ready to wrap this conversation

3097
02:25:59,280 --> 02:25:56,620
we're right in the middle of it but all

3098
02:26:00,660 --> 02:25:59,290
night okay I know you will okay so let's

3099
02:26:03,240 --> 02:26:00,670
do that

3100
02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:03,250
before we head to the break do you have

3101
02:26:12,110 --> 02:26:06,489
any extra stuff for magical Egypt one

3102
02:26:16,320 --> 02:26:12,120
that that will be released I have about

3103
02:26:19,290 --> 02:26:16,330
1500 hours so are you gonna release it

3104
02:26:21,059 --> 02:26:19,300
yeah yeah I have to when I don't know if

3105
02:26:23,519 --> 02:26:21,069
you know this story and it's really

3106
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:23,529
quickly when Venetian I came to

3107
02:26:26,639 --> 02:26:25,359
Australia it wasn't to live we were just

3108
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:26,649
going to come over and have a vacation

3109
02:26:31,769 --> 02:26:29,680
and our first day on the ground we got

3110
02:26:32,460 --> 02:26:31,779
in a head-on collision on the freeway on

3111
02:26:35,160 --> 02:26:32,470
the freeway

3112
02:26:36,510 --> 02:26:35,170
full ski head-on collision and Venise

3113
02:26:37,710 --> 02:26:36,520
broke her neck and we thought she'd

3114
02:26:40,380 --> 02:26:37,720
never walk again and we lived in the

3115
02:26:42,149 --> 02:26:40,390
hospital for years and years and we had

3116
02:26:44,130 --> 02:26:42,159
to just send I never went home never saw

3117
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:44,140
my house again and I just liquidated all

3118
02:26:47,130 --> 02:26:45,370
my belongings because I was in the

3119
02:26:51,149 --> 02:26:47,140
hospital and I was never able to go home

3120
02:26:52,860 --> 02:26:51,159
but the one thing that I got was a I'm

3121
02:26:56,460 --> 02:26:52,870
ashamed to admit that I keep them in but

3122
02:26:58,620 --> 02:26:56,470
all I've got thousands of little mini DV

3123
02:27:01,019 --> 02:26:58,630
tapes in a giant garbage bag like a

3124
02:27:02,760 --> 02:27:01,029
garbage bag full of like Santa's bag

3125
02:27:04,469 --> 02:27:02,770
full of DVD tapes at each one of them is

3126
02:27:06,300 --> 02:27:04,479
one hour of John like we stayed in San

3127
02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:06,310
Francisco for a long time and shot

3128
02:27:09,479 --> 02:27:07,600
hundreds of hours there and the

3129
02:27:12,840 --> 02:27:09,489
Botanical Gardens and all over Balboa

3130
02:27:14,370 --> 02:27:12,850
Park so right now as a result of us

3131
02:27:15,599 --> 02:27:14,380
being kind of nomadic when we first got

3132
02:27:17,519 --> 02:27:15,609
to Australia I put all this stuff in

3133
02:27:19,469 --> 02:27:17,529
storage and it's down in Melbourne and

3134
02:27:23,399 --> 02:27:19,479
I'm a long ways away from there but one

3135
02:27:24,990 --> 02:27:23,409
of these as it is it is definitely on my

3136
02:27:26,939 --> 02:27:25,000
list of things to do to get back down

3137
02:27:29,189 --> 02:27:26,949
there and once we get past episode six

3138
02:27:31,290 --> 02:27:29,199
here we've got another at least three

3139
02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:31,300
seasons of stuff of John and his heyday

3140
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:34,330
doing what he did because you know I for

3141
02:27:37,139 --> 02:27:35,770
my money this is the most important

3142
02:27:38,580 --> 02:27:37,149
thing that there is and it's the most

3143
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:38,590
important information people can know

3144
02:27:42,750 --> 02:27:40,720
and nobody's ever described it as well

3145
02:27:48,899 --> 02:27:42,760
as John so there's lots more there's

3146
02:27:51,269 --> 02:27:48,909
lots more 1,500 hours of gel at least at

3147
02:27:54,300 --> 02:27:51,279
least that's absolutely incredible this

3148
02:27:55,230 --> 02:27:54,310
is Veda black this is our John Anthony

3149
02:27:57,240 --> 02:27:55,240
West special

3150
02:27:59,040 --> 02:27:57,250
review tonight we have chance Gardner

3151
02:28:02,280 --> 02:27:59,050
live with this forum Australia we're

3152
02:28:03,720 --> 02:28:02,290
gonna continue the the conversation with

3153
02:28:04,290 --> 02:28:03,730
a little over time right after this

3154
02:28:06,330 --> 02:28:04,300
short break

3155
02:28:08,190 --> 02:28:06,340
stay with us I'll keep the phone lines

3156
02:28:08,910 --> 02:28:08,200
open this is fade to black I'm your host

3157
02:28:11,210 --> 02:28:08,920
Jimmy Church

3158
02:28:29,620 --> 02:28:11,220
we'll be right back stay with us

3159
02:28:32,630 --> 02:28:29,630
[Music]

3160
02:28:37,599 --> 02:28:32,640
box here and you are listening to my boy

3161
02:28:44,530 --> 02:28:41,570
this my popular opinion reading a book

3162
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:44,540
will not make you smarter

3163
02:28:50,660 --> 02:28:49,050
but listening to Jimmy Church will so

3164
02:28:53,809 --> 02:28:50,670
you went to dinner last night you had

3165
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kera radio.com this is KJ CR Jimmy

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black coming here

3240
02:32:42,340 --> 02:32:38,810
Jimmy Church I want to thank dr. Robert

3241
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:42,350
Schoch for the first hour coming in for

3242
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:46,010
our John Anthony West tributes he passed

3243
02:32:51,370 --> 02:32:49,610
away last week and right now we're

3244
02:32:53,740 --> 02:32:51,380
speaking with chance Gardner live from

3245
02:32:58,180 --> 02:32:53,750
Australia chants of course directed

3246
02:33:01,120 --> 02:32:58,190
magical Egypt 1 & 2 I have to ask the

3247
02:33:04,960 --> 02:33:01,130
hard question here chance I know that

3248
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:04,970
you you know spoke with a John the day

3249
02:33:11,290 --> 02:33:07,370
before that he left us but when he got

3250
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:11,300
the news how did how did you feel not

3251
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:15,350
how did you take it how did you feel you

3252
02:33:20,470 --> 02:33:18,170
know I lost my father last year to

3253
02:33:23,890 --> 02:33:20,480
Parkinson's disease and it was it was a

3254
02:33:26,470 --> 02:33:23,900
weirdly parallel experience because like

3255
02:33:29,140 --> 02:33:26,480
most Western males I just suppressed it

3256
02:33:30,550 --> 02:33:29,150
and just just didn't you know like

3257
02:33:32,140 --> 02:33:30,560
intellectually I knew it would happen I

3258
02:33:35,470 --> 02:33:32,150
just wasn't gonna go there emotionally

3259
02:33:38,290 --> 02:33:35,480
and and just strange random times I'd

3260
02:33:39,880 --> 02:33:38,300
see a picture of him or something and it

3261
02:33:43,180 --> 02:33:39,890
would just you know the dam would burst

3262
02:33:45,330 --> 02:33:43,190
and Zeke pour you know his son Zeke and

3263
02:33:48,400 --> 02:33:45,340
his daughter Zoey and celesta his wife

3264
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:48,410
he had a real hard go this year and they

3265
02:33:53,950 --> 02:33:52,130
really handled it well I think that it

3266
02:33:56,860 --> 02:33:53,960
didn't come as a surprise to anybody

3267
02:33:59,440 --> 02:33:56,870
because from the time that he collapsed

3268
02:34:01,150 --> 02:33:59,450
you know he he was going till the last

3269
02:34:03,700 --> 02:34:01,160
minute you know he was over in Egypt on

3270
02:34:05,170 --> 02:34:03,710
that last tour and he collapsed and it

3271
02:34:07,450 --> 02:34:05,180
was clear and so they took him to the

3272
02:34:09,730 --> 02:34:07,460
doctor and he discovered he had you know

3273
02:34:12,220 --> 02:34:09,740
not one or two but 40 tumors in his

3274
02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:12,230
brain and it passed and remarkable that

3275
02:34:16,410 --> 02:34:13,850
he was functional at all considering the

3276
02:34:18,490 --> 02:34:16,420
extent of the damage and that even

3277
02:34:21,450 --> 02:34:18,500
stranger and you know speaking of

3278
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:21,460
conspiracy theories he went to this guy

3279
02:34:25,870 --> 02:34:23,690
Russian doctor that's in America and he

3280
02:34:28,450 --> 02:34:25,880
had his cancer cure did I actually beat

3281
02:34:30,340 --> 02:34:28,460
cancer and then went down from pneumonia

3282
02:34:34,690 --> 02:34:30,350
and you know kind of hospital illness

3283
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:34,700
they threw the color and so the family

3284
02:34:38,290 --> 02:34:36,770
did a really good job of letting us know

3285
02:34:39,430 --> 02:34:38,300
what was happening and it was a

3286
02:34:41,500 --> 02:34:39,440
wonderful thing because it was a very

3287
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:41,510
hard time for them but they acknowledge

3288
02:34:47,700 --> 02:34:44,170
that you know we all kind of feel like

3289
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:47,710
we have some steak and John and John you

3290
02:34:50,399 --> 02:34:48,970
know must be the guy with the biggest

3291
02:34:53,490 --> 02:34:50,409
family in the world because we all

3292
02:34:55,530 --> 02:34:53,500
really much very much are this family

3293
02:34:57,269 --> 02:34:55,540
brought together by this great man and

3294
02:34:58,710 --> 02:34:57,279
so they I thought they really managed

3295
02:35:00,420 --> 02:34:58,720
well and they kept it for being this

3296
02:35:02,340 --> 02:35:00,430
horrific shock where we all kind of knew

3297
02:35:05,849 --> 02:35:02,350
it was coming it was coming it was

3298
02:35:07,620 --> 02:35:05,859
coming and so then Zeke called us at a

3299
02:35:09,090 --> 02:35:07,630
certain time and gave us a chance to get

3300
02:35:11,340 --> 02:35:09,100
on the phone with them and say the last

3301
02:35:13,260 --> 02:35:11,350
you know things and I just I want to

3302
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:13,270
tell everybody out there and you Jim I'm

3303
02:35:16,679 --> 02:35:15,010
sure you already know this but you just

3304
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:16,689
don't appreciate the people in your life

3305
02:35:22,860 --> 02:35:20,409
and then all of a sudden they're not

3306
02:35:24,300 --> 02:35:22,870
there and it's the worst thing in the

3307
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:24,310
world if there's one little thing you

3308
02:35:28,530 --> 02:35:26,080
didn't say or if you had a harsh word

3309
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:28,540
and you didn't make it better make

3310
02:35:31,469 --> 02:35:30,250
things right and appreciate the people

3311
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:31,479
that are around you because you just

3312
02:35:38,969 --> 02:35:35,290
never know yeah you don't you you don't

3313
02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:38,979
and the the other thing that I wanted to

3314
02:35:45,469 --> 02:35:42,790
ask you with with magical Egypt and the

3315
02:35:49,530 --> 02:35:45,479
way that that was done everybody

3316
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:49,540
understands his research into Egypt

3317
02:35:54,780 --> 02:35:52,090
Egyptology ancient history when it comes

3318
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:54,790
to Egypt and the Sphinx and and and of

3319
02:35:59,250 --> 02:35:57,040
course gobekli tepe came into the mix of

3320
02:36:02,760 --> 02:35:59,260
a little bit later we understand that

3321
02:36:05,969 --> 02:36:02,770
but later I mean our discussions our

3322
02:36:09,500 --> 02:36:05,979
conversations started to shift a little

3323
02:36:11,969 --> 02:36:09,510
bit into world politics economics

3324
02:36:15,660 --> 02:36:11,979
spirituality and of course the

3325
02:36:18,689 --> 02:36:15,670
near-death experience the Stars the

3326
02:36:21,059 --> 02:36:18,699
universe he was deeply interested in

3327
02:36:24,030 --> 02:36:21,069
that and I'm not saying he was about to

3328
02:36:27,689 --> 02:36:24,040
leave Egyptology behind but that was

3329
02:36:32,580 --> 02:36:27,699
certainly where he wanted to push his

3330
02:36:35,340 --> 02:36:32,590
late work it was a logical succession

3331
02:36:36,899 --> 02:36:35,350
that because of the focus of all of

3332
02:36:40,410 --> 02:36:36,909
Egypt was preparing you for this

3333
02:36:42,179 --> 02:36:40,420
transition out of your meat body and so

3334
02:36:43,769 --> 02:36:42,189
it was always very top of mind for him

3335
02:36:46,830 --> 02:36:43,779
but I was just talking with Zeek about

3336
02:36:48,990 --> 02:36:46,840
this his son that it was so beautifully

3337
02:36:52,260 --> 02:36:49,000
poetic that the last project he worked

3338
02:36:53,849 --> 02:36:52,270
on he co-authored a book that compiled

3339
02:36:55,530 --> 02:36:53,859
all these hundreds and hundreds of

3340
02:36:57,240 --> 02:36:55,540
stories of little

3341
02:37:01,050 --> 02:36:57,250
kids being born and they clearly

3342
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:01,060
remember the name and their that I was

3343
02:37:05,700 --> 02:37:03,610
John you know Williams and I was a world

3344
02:37:07,560 --> 02:37:05,710
war two pilot and I died in this place

3345
02:37:09,900 --> 02:37:07,570
and my wife's name was Gertrude and we

3346
02:37:11,070 --> 02:37:09,910
lived at one to three fake street Nana

3347
02:37:12,750 --> 02:37:11,080
turned out there was a one two three

3348
02:37:14,250 --> 02:37:12,760
fake street and a Gertrude lived there

3349
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:14,260
and she did lose her husband in the war

3350
02:37:19,110 --> 02:37:16,570
exactly the way this kid said and it was

3351
02:37:21,511 --> 02:37:19,120
so many in India you know in the Hindu

3352
02:37:25,050 --> 02:37:21,521
culture it's a very ho-hum thing it's

3353
02:37:26,310 --> 02:37:25,060
not a big hurdle for them but they but

3354
02:37:27,750 --> 02:37:26,320
you know in the West obviously that's

3355
02:37:29,460 --> 02:37:27,760
that's laughed at because heard

3356
02:37:32,310 --> 02:37:29,470
ridiculous and so I just thought it was

3357
02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:32,320
so poetic that John steeped himself in

3358
02:37:37,440 --> 02:37:35,050
this project it was specifically about

3359
02:37:40,620 --> 02:37:37,450
how the transition out of life was this

3360
02:37:43,440 --> 02:37:40,630
wonderful part of a continuity rather

3361
02:37:45,450 --> 02:37:43,450
than this final thing and the other

3362
02:37:47,970 --> 02:37:45,460
thing about his political obsession had

3363
02:37:50,280 --> 02:37:47,980
to do with Celente that you know he was

3364
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:50,290
kind of the unspoken void well the other

3365
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:52,210
voice of cilenti's whole thing that

3366
02:37:57,780 --> 02:37:54,880
trans tooth prince mm ever since the y2k

3367
02:37:59,220 --> 02:37:57,790
basically maybe before that even Oh a

3368
02:38:02,280 --> 02:37:59,230
megatrends there was this massive

3369
02:38:04,380 --> 02:38:02,290
bestseller way back that was Celente and

3370
02:38:07,080 --> 02:38:04,390
west and megatrends and then it became

3371
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:07,090
trans mm and so they always collaborated

3372
02:38:11,340 --> 02:38:08,650
on that and as you know gerald Celente

3373
02:38:12,840 --> 02:38:11,350
is a very vocal verbal very funny guy

3374
02:38:14,910 --> 02:38:12,850
just like John West and so that's I

3375
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:14,920
think part of the more John spent around

3376
02:38:23,790 --> 02:38:20,170
Celeste Celente um the more and also he

3377
02:38:25,620 --> 02:38:23,800
did not care for the bush and I didn't

3378
02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:25,630
always I don't know if you call it

3379
02:38:30,511 --> 02:38:27,730
egging him on or encouraging him but he

3380
02:38:31,950 --> 02:38:30,521
really wanted to do stand-up I I got as

3381
02:38:33,300 --> 02:38:31,960
far if I'd been to New York one more

3382
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:33,310
time I really wanted to rent a room

3383
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:35,410
somewhere or have him do some open mic

3384
02:38:38,580 --> 02:38:36,730
because he had a great he'd I kept

3385
02:38:41,070 --> 02:38:38,590
telling him get a stand-up act you're

3386
02:38:43,020 --> 02:38:41,080
hilarious good stand-up act go on and he

3387
02:38:44,940 --> 02:38:43,030
never quite did that but he was always

3388
02:38:46,830 --> 02:38:44,950
working on his stand-up act and that's

3389
02:38:48,660 --> 02:38:46,840
you know why he had so many great funny

3390
02:38:50,011 --> 02:38:48,670
observations about politics and he was

3391
02:38:52,050 --> 02:38:50,021
very passionate about it I mean as we

3392
02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:52,060
all should be did you ever see him in

3393
02:38:57,390 --> 02:38:55,690
Gerald together I've never been in the

3394
02:38:58,800 --> 02:38:57,400
same room with Gerald I sure have a high

3395
02:39:01,470 --> 02:38:58,810
regard for him but I've never actually

3396
02:39:03,780 --> 02:39:01,480
uh you know when you're around John he

3397
02:39:05,130 --> 02:39:03,790
you hear about everything else that's

3398
02:39:06,600 --> 02:39:05,140
going on the rest of his life and so

3399
02:39:08,100 --> 02:39:06,610
I've heard millions and millions of

3400
02:39:08,910 --> 02:39:08,110
stories about his interaction Zeke

3401
02:39:11,130 --> 02:39:08,920
worked for

3402
02:39:12,660 --> 02:39:11,140
sláinte for a long time - so I heard a

3403
02:39:14,100 --> 02:39:12,670
lot about it and obviously it's hard not

3404
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:14,110
to see gerald Celente he's just

3405
02:39:18,120 --> 02:39:15,850
everywhere these days but I've never I

3406
02:39:19,140 --> 02:39:18,130
was never directly witnessed than - but

3407
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:19,150
I know that they were they were like

3408
02:39:24,750 --> 02:39:21,040
kids you know they just had this this

3409
02:39:29,340 --> 02:39:24,760
glee about taking you know politicians

3410
02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:29,350
down a peg and when it comes see this is

3411
02:39:38,280 --> 02:39:32,530
I avoid politics on this show and I

3412
02:39:40,440 --> 02:39:38,290
avoid politics because my audience is on

3413
02:39:43,320 --> 02:39:40,450
one side of the fence or the other or in

3414
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:43,330
the middle but if I bring it up my men

3415
02:39:48,810 --> 02:39:45,610
to get my audience fighting amongst

3416
02:39:49,800 --> 02:39:48,820
themselves it's so divisive right right

3417
02:39:54,540 --> 02:39:49,810
it just is

3418
02:39:57,150 --> 02:39:54,550
john didn't care about that he didn't

3419
02:39:59,969 --> 02:39:57,160
care if he was gonna lose a fan you know

3420
02:40:03,030 --> 02:39:59,979
it's the lamb I want my money back on

3421
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:03,040
you know surfing in the sky you know

3422
02:40:09,450 --> 02:40:05,530
what I mean well so what I'll send you a

3423
02:40:11,580 --> 02:40:09,460
check it was a weird it was another

3424
02:40:13,560 --> 02:40:11,590
weird thing that I changed my operating

3425
02:40:15,360 --> 02:40:13,570
system because if you grow up in today's

3426
02:40:16,920 --> 02:40:15,370
world and especially Los Angeles you

3427
02:40:20,880 --> 02:40:16,930
know what a squirrely where Los Angeles

3428
02:40:22,530 --> 02:40:20,890
is it's not many people that broadcast

3429
02:40:24,179 --> 02:40:22,540
their principles and then stick to them

3430
02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:24,189
because just like being in politics you

3431
02:40:28,650 --> 02:40:26,170
know show business is all about these

3432
02:40:30,030 --> 02:40:28,660
insane wealthy sociopaths and you just

3433
02:40:32,580 --> 02:40:30,040
don't want to make them mad so you end

3434
02:40:35,610 --> 02:40:32,590
up not expressing your truth quite a lot

3435
02:40:37,260 --> 02:40:35,620
and then I met John and it was like

3436
02:40:38,250 --> 02:40:37,270
literally like being around someone who

3437
02:40:40,170 --> 02:40:38,260
just turned around a punch in the face

3438
02:40:41,550 --> 02:40:40,180
for no not for no reason but when you

3439
02:40:43,020 --> 02:40:41,560
deserved it he'd turn around and give

3440
02:40:45,690 --> 02:40:43,030
you a slap for saying something wrong

3441
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:45,700
and he never X why I keep saying I've

3442
02:40:50,580 --> 02:40:48,370
met few people that were able to retain

3443
02:40:52,350 --> 02:40:50,590
their grace and dignity while dressing

3444
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:52,360
you down or contradicting you because

3445
02:40:55,170 --> 02:40:53,290
it's not something you do in polite

3446
02:40:57,570 --> 02:40:55,180
society but if you're a principled man

3447
02:40:58,860 --> 02:40:57,580
which is it like a alien or like a five

3448
02:41:02,070 --> 02:40:58,870
leaf clover nowadays if you're a

3449
02:41:05,640 --> 02:41:02,080
principled man you're not gonna let some

3450
02:41:08,310 --> 02:41:05,650
nonsense fly and not address it and I

3451
02:41:11,700 --> 02:41:08,320
think that's why he was so pivotal and

3452
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:11,710
so he had such an effect on the people

3453
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:13,600
that he came in contact with and I

3454
02:41:17,460 --> 02:41:15,610
wanted to I wanted to ask you the same

3455
02:41:20,460 --> 02:41:17,470
question I asked shocked because I just

3456
02:41:22,180 --> 02:41:20,470
think it's it's the correct one when we

3457
02:41:24,030 --> 02:41:22,190
talk about Ibiza and

3458
02:41:27,730 --> 02:41:24,040
you think about John Anthony West

3459
02:41:31,240 --> 02:41:27,740
running around Ibiza in shorts and

3460
02:41:33,461 --> 02:41:31,250
sandals for you know for five years and

3461
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:33,471
knowing what Ibiza is all about

3462
02:41:39,161 --> 02:41:35,690
certainly that is the perfect place for

3463
02:41:41,621 --> 02:41:39,171
him what would you would you cut off

3464
02:41:44,051 --> 02:41:41,631
your right arm to go back in time and

3465
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:44,061
hang out with John Anthony West in Ibiza

3466
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:47,210
I sure would I've spent so much time

3467
02:41:51,220 --> 02:41:49,610
with him on the road from like one city

3468
02:41:53,140 --> 02:41:51,230
to another and so I've heard literally

3469
02:41:54,610 --> 02:41:53,150
minute-by-minute everything that

3470
02:41:57,190 --> 02:41:54,620
happened to him in Ibiza and the thing

3471
02:41:58,990 --> 02:41:57,200
to remember about him and Ibiza was we

3472
02:42:01,450 --> 02:41:59,000
have this John in our heads you know

3473
02:42:03,881 --> 02:42:01,460
that's this wonderful loveable old

3474
02:42:06,911 --> 02:42:03,891
bearded man but he was a good-looking

3475
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:06,921
guy he look at his son and see like John

3476
02:42:12,820 --> 02:42:10,370
was a dashing man and he was thin and he

3477
02:42:14,621 --> 02:42:12,830
was just striking like a striking kind

3478
02:42:15,700 --> 02:42:14,631
of Arabic looking guy you don't realize

3479
02:42:17,770 --> 02:42:15,710
he had this kind of really sort of

3480
02:42:20,110 --> 02:42:17,780
Arabic flair he's not but he had this

3481
02:42:22,121 --> 02:42:20,120
real Arabic flair about him and just

3482
02:42:24,640 --> 02:42:22,131
really good-looking plus the rapier wit

3483
02:42:26,711 --> 02:42:24,650
and this is back in the days of

3484
02:42:28,841 --> 02:42:26,721
gentleman leanness and masculinity and

3485
02:42:29,560 --> 02:42:28,851
this other stuff that just doesn't exist

3486
02:42:32,890 --> 02:42:29,570
anymore

3487
02:42:34,661 --> 02:42:32,900
and but it's all it when you see

3488
02:42:36,970 --> 02:42:34,671
pictures from those days and you see

3489
02:42:38,980 --> 02:42:36,980
what a dashing young guy he was first of

3490
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:38,990
all he must have been swimming in women

3491
02:42:43,871 --> 02:42:41,210
and secondly his friends were all from

3492
02:42:45,751 --> 02:42:43,881
theater and literature so he part of he

3493
02:42:48,100 --> 02:42:45,761
is the reason he had that kind of

3494
02:42:50,980 --> 02:42:48,110
confrontational style is you know that's

3495
02:42:53,711 --> 02:42:50,990
all the soirees and from the 40s and 50s

3496
02:43:00,161 --> 02:42:53,721
were just clever people hung around and

3497
02:43:02,371 --> 02:43:00,171
did their best to seem like oh I forgot

3498
02:43:04,511 --> 02:43:02,381
the name this is a gay guy from the

3499
02:43:09,041 --> 02:43:04,521
aesthetics Oscar Wilde like it was the

3500
02:43:10,180 --> 02:43:09,051
age of Oscar Wilde witticism and and he

3501
02:43:11,950 --> 02:43:10,190
was the best of them he was just the

3502
02:43:14,770 --> 02:43:11,960
best the one-liners and the cleverness

3503
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:14,780
and the the repartee and it's a lost

3504
02:43:18,011 --> 02:43:16,250
world and that's just it's one of the

3505
02:43:19,930 --> 02:43:18,021
gifts that John gave me was just to open

3506
02:43:22,001 --> 02:43:19,940
up this perfect window and there's not

3507
02:43:23,591 --> 02:43:22,011
just so many stories and I can't tell ya

3508
02:43:25,030 --> 02:43:23,601
I'm just sitting here lamenting that all

3509
02:43:27,220 --> 02:43:25,040
the best stories I would just I wouldn't

3510
02:43:29,051 --> 02:43:27,230
dream of saying over the we probably

3511
02:43:30,520 --> 02:43:29,061
both get arrested by the FCC if I got

3512
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:30,530
into too many details but his life was

3513
02:43:35,230 --> 02:43:33,290
wild and colorful and beautiful and

3514
02:43:35,801 --> 02:43:35,240
poetic in this way that just doesn't

3515
02:43:42,251 --> 02:43:35,811
happen

3516
02:43:45,430 --> 02:43:42,261
and you know I've heard him you know

3517
02:43:48,570 --> 02:43:45,440
tell these stories as well but it was

3518
02:43:51,280 --> 02:43:48,580
the astrology the universe the Stars

3519
02:43:55,450 --> 02:43:51,290
swallered de Lubitz how he stumbled upon

3520
02:43:59,020 --> 02:43:55,460
that book and all of this aligned at the

3521
02:44:02,320 --> 02:43:59,030
same time of all places in Ibiza which

3522
02:44:05,261 --> 02:44:02,330
allowed him to start to figure this

3523
02:44:07,810 --> 02:44:05,271
stuff out and he did that for us that

3524
02:44:09,310 --> 02:44:07,820
was our gift coming back but if all of

3525
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:09,320
these things didn't happen at the same

3526
02:44:15,131 --> 02:44:13,130
time we wouldn't have gotten it yeah and

3527
02:44:17,801 --> 02:44:15,141
who else was championing championing

3528
02:44:19,950 --> 02:44:17,811
this like Robert Lawler John in fact

3529
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:19,960
lived with Robert Lawler for a while at

3530
02:44:25,570 --> 02:44:23,110
Lucile Ami's place Robert Lawler

3531
02:44:27,011 --> 02:44:25,580
actually translated swallowers books

3532
02:44:29,350 --> 02:44:27,021
from French and English so that big

3533
02:44:30,850 --> 02:44:29,360
beautiful temple of man if you look at

3534
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:30,860
the name of the author it was translated

3535
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:34,880
by Robert Lawler they they interacted

3536
02:44:39,700 --> 02:44:36,650
quite a bit there's such a radically

3537
02:44:42,671 --> 02:44:39,710
different people and I have to say I

3538
02:44:44,410 --> 02:44:42,681
prefer John's book serpent in the sky to

3539
02:44:47,350 --> 02:44:44,420
Roberts just perfect translation of

3540
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:47,360
schwa Larry because there's a style and

3541
02:44:52,030 --> 02:44:50,240
this swagger and this just this thing

3542
02:44:54,551 --> 02:44:52,040
that John put into serpent in the sky

3543
02:44:57,640 --> 02:44:54,561
that you know certainly wasn't present

3544
02:44:59,770 --> 02:44:57,650
in swaller and John was the lens that

3545
02:45:00,910 --> 02:44:59,780
you wanted to John was the monocle that

3546
02:45:03,011 --> 02:45:00,920
you wanted to be wearing when you looked

3547
02:45:04,511 --> 02:45:03,021
at schwa Lord Olympics in the past and I

3548
02:45:06,011 --> 02:45:04,521
think about this is it's not just some

3549
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:06,021
academic thing from the past this is the

3550
02:45:10,120 --> 02:45:08,090
most important thing people can know and

3551
02:45:13,360 --> 02:45:10,130
John didn't realize it until he was well

3552
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:13,370
into it and yeah people know John wrote

3553
02:45:16,631 --> 02:45:15,200
a fantastic book that I think you've

3554
02:45:20,051 --> 02:45:16,641
mentioned it's called a case for

3555
02:45:21,850 --> 02:45:20,061
astrology and it was a like I was I have

3556
02:45:24,761 --> 02:45:21,860
to say I kind of scoffed at astrology

3557
02:45:26,740 --> 02:45:24,771
until I read that book and young you

3558
02:45:28,030 --> 02:45:26,750
know young was fascinated with astrology

3559
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:28,040
nowadays the whole thing's kind of

3560
02:45:35,261 --> 02:45:32,000
played down and made fun of but it was

3561
02:45:37,301 --> 02:45:35,271
just part of his nature that he had this

3562
02:45:38,770 --> 02:45:37,311
thing oh I'll tell you this for the

3563
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:38,780
quick Jimmy when he was younger he lived

3564
02:45:42,730 --> 02:45:41,120
in New York and he was a writer and he

3565
02:45:44,501 --> 02:45:42,740
used to work on those pulp fiction you

3566
02:45:45,859 --> 02:45:44,511
know like pulp comics amazing stories

3567
02:45:48,170 --> 02:45:45,869
and stuff like then

3568
02:45:49,639 --> 02:45:48,180
penny like he literally got paid a penny

3569
02:45:51,979 --> 02:45:49,649
a word or something just no money at all

3570
02:45:54,290 --> 02:45:51,989
and he was to tell me he spent years in

3571
02:45:57,080 --> 02:45:54,300
this terrible little basement boiler

3572
02:45:58,729 --> 02:45:57,090
room him and 4 other authors just

3573
02:46:00,109 --> 02:45:58,739
churning out on these sino this is

3574
02:46:02,300 --> 02:46:00,119
before electric typewriters in word

3575
02:46:04,250 --> 02:46:02,310
processor so those old cranky mechanical

3576
02:46:06,559 --> 02:46:04,260
typewriters imagine this little room is

3577
02:46:07,639 --> 02:46:06,569
like just white with cigarette smoke you

3578
02:46:10,130 --> 02:46:07,649
know cuz I was back when you could smoke

3579
02:46:12,590 --> 02:46:10,140
in the workplace and here's who the four

3580
02:46:15,349 --> 02:46:12,600
authors were young John West young

3581
02:46:18,170 --> 02:46:15,359
Robert Heinlein young Isaac Asimov and

3582
02:46:21,500 --> 02:46:18,180
young Ray Bradbury clothes for cats

3583
02:46:22,910 --> 02:46:21,510
sitting in a boiler room starving to

3584
02:46:25,609 --> 02:46:22,920
death and living on cigarettes and

3585
02:46:29,300 --> 02:46:25,619
coffee cranking out amazing stories for

3586
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:29,310
one penny a word isn't that insane how

3587
02:46:33,620 --> 02:46:30,930
about that I know I know

3588
02:46:35,719 --> 02:46:33,630
and he said one other thing while

3589
02:46:37,189 --> 02:46:35,729
wandering he said many things but he

3590
02:46:40,490 --> 02:46:37,199
said one thing that caught me that he

3591
02:46:43,130 --> 02:46:40,500
preferred the French versions of

3592
02:46:44,780 --> 02:46:43,140
everything and he would pain stanky you

3593
02:46:47,840 --> 02:46:44,790
know he didn't treat he didn't speak

3594
02:46:51,080 --> 02:46:47,850
French but so he would translate the

3595
02:46:53,420 --> 02:46:51,090
French himself but that Lawler's

3596
02:46:57,229 --> 02:46:53,430
versions of it didn't have the passion

3597
02:46:58,639 --> 02:46:57,239
and it felt incorrect to him yeah it's

3598
02:47:00,380 --> 02:46:58,649
like a Quran you're not reading the

3599
02:47:01,910 --> 02:47:00,390
Koran unless you read it in Arabic and

3600
02:47:04,219 --> 02:47:01,920
there's just something about French

3601
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:04,229
German - I don't know if you know much

3602
02:47:08,300 --> 02:47:05,850
about Aaron Chi here in Chi cuz it's

3603
02:47:12,200 --> 02:47:08,310
just remarkable dude that's in rather

3604
02:47:13,790 --> 02:47:12,210
friend of mine in Episode two and Aaron

3605
02:47:15,500 --> 02:47:13,800
does that Aaron's a translator he

3606
02:47:17,960 --> 02:47:15,510
translates old esoteric and occult

3607
02:47:19,519 --> 02:47:17,970
literature from German and he says it -

3608
02:47:20,899 --> 02:47:19,529
if you read this stuff and you don't

3609
02:47:23,359 --> 02:47:20,909
read it in the native language it's

3610
02:47:24,859 --> 02:47:23,369
inevitable that there's the nuances and

3611
02:47:27,950 --> 02:47:24,869
the subtlety and all these references

3612
02:47:30,109 --> 02:47:27,960
there's no way to translate a metaphor

3613
02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:30,119
or you know if you say cache me outside

3614
02:47:35,319 --> 02:47:32,250
or if you say that's what she said

3615
02:47:37,519 --> 02:47:35,329
that the stuff doesn't translate and so

3616
02:47:39,050 --> 02:47:37,529
that's there's lots of good reasons to

3617
02:47:40,609 --> 02:47:39,060
learn French but one of the best is to

3618
02:47:43,250 --> 02:47:40,619
read swallered Olympics in his native

3619
02:47:46,729 --> 02:47:43,260
tongue yeah you bring up another good

3620
02:47:48,830 --> 02:47:46,739
point who else was championing at that

3621
02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:48,840
time nobody oh that's what I was gonna

3622
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:50,489
say this stuff we would not have access

3623
02:47:55,639 --> 02:47:53,279
because there is this giant organized

3624
02:47:57,920 --> 02:47:55,649
mounted effort to keep this stuff out

3625
02:47:59,401 --> 02:47:57,930
out of the public eye when swallowed

3626
02:48:04,171 --> 02:47:59,411
Olympics was on the ground

3627
02:48:05,821 --> 02:48:04,181
in Luxor Adrian dree atone who was the

3628
02:48:06,151 --> 02:48:05,831
king of everything in Egyptology back

3629
02:48:08,701 --> 02:48:06,161
then

3630
02:48:10,470 --> 02:48:08,711
shuang'er was so incisive and yeah

3631
02:48:11,701 --> 02:48:10,480
people don't know this a lot of people

3632
02:48:13,381 --> 02:48:11,711
don't know that schwa was the head of

3633
02:48:15,720 --> 02:48:13,391
the Theosophical foundation like Madame

3634
02:48:18,301 --> 02:48:15,730
Blavatsky was the joiner was in our

3635
02:48:20,101 --> 02:48:18,311
branch Waller was actually head of and

3636
02:48:23,251 --> 02:48:20,111
so he shows up and he has quite a

3637
02:48:24,511 --> 02:48:23,261
compendium of esoteric knowledge and you

3638
02:48:25,921 --> 02:48:24,521
know it's sort of like if you didn't

3639
02:48:29,521 --> 02:48:25,931
know what sex was and then he went to

3640
02:48:30,901 --> 02:48:29,531
Hugh Hefner's house when you look at

3641
02:48:32,341 --> 02:48:30,911
Egypt and you're not steeped in

3642
02:48:34,291 --> 02:48:32,351
esotericism you're not going to

3643
02:48:36,031 --> 02:48:34,301
understand the message but if you are

3644
02:48:37,951 --> 02:48:36,041
steeped in esotericism and you know

3645
02:48:40,771 --> 02:48:37,961
you're a cult stuff your symbolism and

3646
02:48:42,691 --> 02:48:40,781
you go to Egypt Egypt just speaks to you

3647
02:48:44,461 --> 02:48:42,701
I'm sorry if you're probably just hated

3648
02:48:47,611 --> 02:48:44,471
schwa Lord Olympics and they and so that

3649
02:48:49,890 --> 02:48:47,621
famous line of Adrienne drea Tong let's

3650
02:48:51,751 --> 02:48:49,900
erect a common wall of silence around

3651
02:48:53,970 --> 02:48:51,761
swallowers work and if it weren't for

3652
02:48:56,401 --> 02:48:53,980
John that would have stuck and we'd all

3653
02:48:58,321 --> 02:48:56,411
be in some kind of horrific neo-fascist

3654
02:49:00,241 --> 02:48:58,331
nightmare it makes me wonder what else

3655
02:49:03,061 --> 02:49:00,251
we don't know Jimmy because every

3656
02:49:04,831 --> 02:49:03,071
military show you see every UFO every

3657
02:49:06,631 --> 02:49:04,841
parallel dimension thing I just watched

3658
02:49:08,311 --> 02:49:06,641
Star Trek finally last night and the

3659
02:49:09,241 --> 02:49:08,321
discovered parallel universes and the

3660
02:49:10,441 --> 02:49:09,251
first thing that happens it's okay

3661
02:49:13,051 --> 02:49:10,451
that's classified nobody can know about

3662
02:49:15,091 --> 02:49:13,061
that so every interesting new thing that

3663
02:49:16,861 --> 02:49:15,101
happens is instantly classified we're

3664
02:49:18,331 --> 02:49:16,871
never gonna hear about it so it makes

3665
02:49:20,581 --> 02:49:18,341
you wonder what else we don't know about

3666
02:49:22,741 --> 02:49:20,591
but I would venture to say if it weren't

3667
02:49:24,390 --> 02:49:22,751
for John West we wouldn't be here having

3668
02:49:27,211 --> 02:49:24,400
this conversation right now and this

3669
02:49:28,890 --> 02:49:27,221
whole optimism about the fact that there

3670
02:49:29,851 --> 02:49:28,900
are these ancient instructions that are

3671
02:49:31,561 --> 02:49:29,861
still there and they're still

3672
02:49:32,911 --> 02:49:31,571
broadcasting and therefore you Jimmy

3673
02:49:34,711 --> 02:49:32,921
they're for me they're like this magic

3674
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:34,721
mirror that shows you how to scratch

3675
02:49:40,231 --> 02:49:36,730
this thing that you can't even locate in

3676
02:49:42,541 --> 02:49:40,241
physical space and that might I would

3677
02:49:45,061 --> 02:49:42,551
hope turn out to be this evolution

3678
02:49:47,761 --> 02:49:45,071
changing bit of information once it gets

3679
02:49:50,281 --> 02:49:47,771
recognized for what it is and we might

3680
02:49:52,741 --> 02:49:50,291
never have had access to that if John

3681
02:49:55,081 --> 02:49:52,751
hadn't spent his life taking it on the

3682
02:49:56,791 --> 02:49:55,091
chin and being ridiculed for what you

3683
02:49:59,311 --> 02:49:56,801
know what he knew to be right yeah he

3684
02:50:01,861 --> 02:49:59,321
said to me well I asked him I said when

3685
02:50:04,921 --> 02:50:01,871
when you go when you take your tours and

3686
02:50:08,031 --> 02:50:04,931
you're guiding people around and there

3687
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:08,041
are going to be those that don't

3688
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:09,610
understand

3689
02:50:15,570 --> 02:50:12,370
the symbolism they're looking at the big

3690
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:15,580
rocks yeah they're looking at you know

3691
02:50:21,870 --> 02:50:18,880
the statues but they don't he goes Jimmy

3692
02:50:25,740 --> 02:50:21,880
you walk through the symbolism is loud

3693
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:25,750
it's noisy it's everywhere that's what I

3694
02:50:30,960 --> 02:50:29,110
see and it speaks to you so many enhance

3695
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:30,970
things right right he said so many

3696
02:50:34,350 --> 02:50:33,010
people go to Egypt and they're looking

3697
02:50:36,870 --> 02:50:34,360
at the pyramid they're looking at the

3698
02:50:39,480 --> 02:50:36,880
Sphinx and then but they don't see the

3699
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:39,490
symbolism that is right in front of them

3700
02:50:44,670 --> 02:50:42,010
on the walls it's everywhere and it's

3701
02:50:46,650 --> 02:50:44,680
loud and it's noisy and in you're

3702
02:50:50,040 --> 02:50:46,660
absolutely right that's what he brought

3703
02:50:52,830 --> 02:50:50,050
to the table it's not just you know big

3704
02:50:55,860 --> 02:50:52,840
rocks which is great you know that's the

3705
02:50:57,870 --> 02:50:55,870
logistical side of it I get that but but

3706
02:50:59,820 --> 02:50:57,880
it's the symbolism and that's what he

3707
02:51:03,301 --> 02:50:59,830
brought to us and we're just now

3708
02:51:04,860 --> 02:51:03,311
starting to absorb it yeah it reminded

3709
02:51:06,570 --> 02:51:04,870
me this in fact I just this thing just

3710
02:51:07,650 --> 02:51:06,580
popped into my head or I just came

3711
02:51:09,810 --> 02:51:07,660
across this thing I think I'm gonna

3712
02:51:14,790 --> 02:51:09,820
start the next episode with this quote

3713
02:51:18,210 --> 02:51:14,800
it was from da Vinci and he said three

3714
02:51:19,740 --> 02:51:18,220
kinds of people people who see people

3715
02:51:22,080 --> 02:51:19,750
who see once they've been shown and

3716
02:51:23,940 --> 02:51:22,090
people who are never gonna see but ten

3717
02:51:25,410 --> 02:51:23,950
is that just and does that just eat what

3718
02:51:28,140 --> 02:51:25,420
and what more do you need to say I have

3719
02:51:29,580 --> 02:51:28,150
another quote here from a John few

3720
02:51:31,530 --> 02:51:29,590
things in this world are more

3721
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:31,540
predictable than the reaction of

3722
02:51:43,940 --> 02:51:33,600
conventional Minds to unconventional

3723
02:51:48,120 --> 02:51:46,470
just what an amazing show I want to keep

3724
02:51:53,551 --> 02:51:48,130
this going I've got just got like five

3725
02:51:55,801 --> 02:51:53,561
minutes left and so for you let's just

3726
02:51:58,500 --> 02:51:55,811
look back at the life of John Anthony

3727
02:52:04,551 --> 02:51:58,510
West what was the gift that he left for

3728
02:52:09,380 --> 02:52:04,561
you the clarity of thought the idea that

3729
02:52:12,180 --> 02:52:09,390
authorities are presenting a facade

3730
02:52:15,330 --> 02:52:12,190
nothing is completely known or

3731
02:52:18,330 --> 02:52:15,340
completely understood and that just

3732
02:52:19,421 --> 02:52:18,340
because there's a common voice that all

3733
02:52:21,220 --> 02:52:19,431
of science

3734
02:52:22,901 --> 02:52:21,230
that everything that you think is cool

3735
02:52:24,220 --> 02:52:22,911
isn't real everything you want to

3736
02:52:24,940 --> 02:52:24,230
believe about ancient Egypt is all

3737
02:52:28,451 --> 02:52:24,950
nonsense

3738
02:52:30,850 --> 02:52:28,461
he taught me challenge Authority or at

3739
02:52:33,220 --> 02:52:30,860
least look into their claims if you just

3740
02:52:35,621 --> 02:52:33,230
look into the claims of science it's not

3741
02:52:39,100 --> 02:52:35,631
quite this unassailable monolith and

3742
02:52:40,631 --> 02:52:39,110
it's much more a tool of social

3743
02:52:43,001 --> 02:52:40,641
engineering you know in this tool a

3744
02:52:46,180 --> 02:52:43,011
television to create homogeneity and in

3745
02:52:48,131 --> 02:52:46,190
minds and it's not really about getting

3746
02:52:49,871 --> 02:52:48,141
to the truth sometimes when it goes

3747
02:52:52,421 --> 02:52:49,881
wrong it's about territorialism and

3748
02:52:54,730 --> 02:52:52,431
people are fallible and anybody who

3749
02:52:57,011 --> 02:52:54,740
writes a book or becomes Chancellor of a

3750
02:52:58,511 --> 02:52:57,021
school people do not like to be proven

3751
02:53:00,970 --> 02:52:58,521
wrong once they've been acknowledged as

3752
02:53:03,491 --> 02:53:00,980
an expert and so for all kinds of

3753
02:53:05,591 --> 02:53:03,501
reasons never take things at face value

3754
02:53:08,111 --> 02:53:05,601
look into them yourself and especially

3755
02:53:10,060 --> 02:53:08,121
for artists you know this new series of

3756
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:10,070
magical Egypt is for artists and I'm

3757
02:53:13,421 --> 02:53:11,690
perfectly okay if the artists have to

3758
02:53:15,761 --> 02:53:13,431
then explain it to everyone else because

3759
02:53:18,281 --> 02:53:15,771
Egypt speaks visually and it speaks

3760
02:53:19,541 --> 02:53:18,291
through aesthetics and so artists go and

3761
02:53:21,190 --> 02:53:19,551
they see this thing that's just so

3762
02:53:23,020 --> 02:53:21,200
there's no question about the message of

3763
02:53:24,491 --> 02:53:23,030
Egypt but then you leave and you get

3764
02:53:26,951 --> 02:53:24,501
this cognitive dissonance because this

3765
02:53:28,301 --> 02:53:26,961
heartfelt experience you had everybody

3766
02:53:29,741 --> 02:53:28,311
who meets that know that didn't happen

3767
02:53:32,171 --> 02:53:29,751
that's not real that's a conspiracy

3768
02:53:33,850 --> 02:53:32,181
theory and if you connect and you do

3769
02:53:36,190 --> 02:53:33,860
that thing where a pointer points when

3770
02:53:38,711 --> 02:53:36,200
it sees a bird or you know what a dog

3771
02:53:41,261 --> 02:53:38,721
does when it sees a cat some people see

3772
02:53:43,270 --> 02:53:41,271
Egypt they just instantly like and

3773
02:53:45,341 --> 02:53:43,280
there's something that it may well be a

3774
02:53:48,451 --> 02:53:45,351
past life you know experience that

3775
02:53:50,801 --> 02:53:48,461
people don't understand why they're so

3776
02:53:52,361 --> 02:53:50,811
attracted to Egypt but almost every

3777
02:53:53,801 --> 02:53:52,371
person that has this attraction and

3778
02:53:57,881 --> 02:53:53,811
fascination to Egypt at some point

3779
02:54:00,821 --> 02:53:57,891
encounters some delete the expletive but

3780
02:54:02,890 --> 02:54:00,831
some encounter some person who prides

3781
02:54:06,461 --> 02:54:02,900
themselves on popping people's bubbles

3782
02:54:08,921 --> 02:54:06,471
and so if you are a person who sees a

3783
02:54:10,871 --> 02:54:08,931
promise and a hope and something really

3784
02:54:11,440 --> 02:54:10,881
remarkable peering out from the ruins of

3785
02:54:14,411 --> 02:54:11,450
Egypt

3786
02:54:16,060 --> 02:54:14,421
don't let quote-unquote authorities

3787
02:54:19,631 --> 02:54:16,070
laugh at you and say you're insane

3788
02:54:21,430 --> 02:54:19,641
because history is a process of proving

3789
02:54:23,711 --> 02:54:21,440
science wrong you know and then setting

3790
02:54:26,140 --> 02:54:23,721
up new science in its way and but if the

3791
02:54:28,180 --> 02:54:26,150
artists are the only ones with an intact

3792
02:54:30,701 --> 02:54:28,190
right hemisphere it seems that are able

3793
02:54:32,860 --> 02:54:30,711
to go outside of the box and make

3794
02:54:33,880 --> 02:54:32,870
unusual connections and

3795
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:33,890
these things that are sort of the

3796
02:54:38,950 --> 02:54:35,840
antithesis of science but are the

3797
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:38,960
backbone of art and so it was another

3798
02:54:41,801 --> 02:54:40,160
you know as a huge part of my

3799
02:54:43,660 --> 02:54:41,811
inspiration for the new series it's just

3800
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:43,670
here's what artists who you know we know

3801
02:54:47,710 --> 02:54:45,530
what Egyptologists have to say and so

3802
02:54:50,650 --> 02:54:47,720
here's what some other faecal who also

3803
02:54:52,210 --> 02:54:50,660
have a right to talk about this here's

3804
02:54:54,700 --> 02:54:52,220
what other people say you know and if

3805
02:54:56,680 --> 02:54:54,710
you know Laird Scranton or Thomas Brophy

3806
02:54:58,841 --> 02:54:56,690
or above all you know as an engineer

3807
02:55:00,250 --> 02:54:58,851
it's the people who aren't in Egyptology

3808
02:55:03,370 --> 02:55:00,260
that seemed to make the most meaningful

3809
02:55:04,810 --> 02:55:03,380
discoveries about it and so everyone out

3810
02:55:07,540 --> 02:55:04,820
there listening you might be the next

3811
02:55:08,860 --> 02:55:07,550
John West because Laird Scranton nobody

3812
02:55:10,600 --> 02:55:08,870
ever heard of Laird Laird found this

3813
02:55:12,970 --> 02:55:10,610
little Fang that started on pulling

3814
02:55:16,750 --> 02:55:12,980
raveling like a sweater Thomas Brophy is

3815
02:55:18,490 --> 02:55:16,760
a JPL trajectory math nerd and he found

3816
02:55:20,051 --> 02:55:18,500
some little thing and all of a sudden he

3817
02:55:22,750 --> 02:55:20,061
showed that the Egyptians knew exactly

3818
02:55:24,940 --> 02:55:22,760
how many light-years to Beetlejuice and

3819
02:55:26,801 --> 02:55:24,950
all an attack and on the lam and he's

3820
02:55:30,160 --> 02:55:26,811
just weird little it's always the

3821
02:55:31,780 --> 02:55:30,170
exception to the rule that ends up being

3822
02:55:33,370 --> 02:55:31,790
the door through which you enter this

3823
02:55:34,990 --> 02:55:33,380
new paradigm you know it's like we've

3824
02:55:37,180 --> 02:55:35,000
got one side of the Rubik's Cube solved

3825
02:55:38,440 --> 02:55:37,190
and we're gonna call that a win but then

3826
02:55:39,551 --> 02:55:38,450
there's this one little oh yeah well

3827
02:55:40,990 --> 02:55:39,561
that's solved but here's all these other

3828
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:41,000
things that don't make sense in that

3829
02:55:44,310 --> 02:55:43,010
model and so it makes you question the

3830
02:55:47,591 --> 02:55:44,320
model and all of a sudden you realize

3831
02:55:49,240 --> 02:55:47,601
this wasn't quite as set in stone as the

3832
02:55:50,860 --> 02:55:49,250
authorities would have us believe and so

3833
02:55:52,240 --> 02:55:50,870
the reason we're all fascinated with

3834
02:55:54,250 --> 02:55:52,250
Egypt is there's just something in the

3835
02:55:56,530 --> 02:55:54,260
collective psyche we're looking to this

3836
02:55:58,900 --> 02:55:56,540
place to reveal something that's going

3837
02:56:01,660 --> 02:55:58,910
to change everything and I think that

3838
02:56:05,320 --> 02:56:01,670
the reason we know to look besides just

3839
02:56:09,730 --> 02:56:05,330
natural intuition is that John showed

3840
02:56:14,110 --> 02:56:09,740
how flimsy this facade of know-it-all

3841
02:56:17,080 --> 02:56:14,120
ISM is and to me made the world hopeful

3842
02:56:18,670 --> 02:56:17,090
and optimistic and certainly gave me a

3843
02:56:20,470 --> 02:56:18,680
passion that I can pursue for the rest

3844
02:56:22,570 --> 02:56:20,480
of my life this place is a bottomless

3845
02:56:24,220 --> 02:56:22,580
barrel of mysteries but they're all

3846
02:56:25,450 --> 02:56:24,230
solvable mysteries they're puzzles in

3847
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:25,460
fact they're so they want to be solved

3848
02:56:28,841 --> 02:56:26,720
their puzzles you know in the classic

3849
02:56:30,341 --> 02:56:28,851
sense and it's like human psyche it's

3850
02:56:31,720 --> 02:56:30,351
like catnip for the human psyche you

3851
02:56:35,261 --> 02:56:31,730
know show me a puzzle and I won't stop

3852
02:56:37,900 --> 02:56:35,271
until I finish it know-it-all ISM thank

3853
02:56:40,180 --> 02:56:37,910
you so much chance and for doing this

3854
02:56:42,190 --> 02:56:40,190
tonight with us he just made this

3855
02:56:44,350 --> 02:56:42,200
evening so special for the audience and

3856
02:56:45,469 --> 02:56:44,360
for myself thank you so much really

3857
02:56:48,769 --> 02:56:45,479
quick we've

3858
02:56:55,250 --> 02:56:48,779
rap I've gotta go when is the next

3859
02:56:57,139 --> 02:56:55,260
episode coming out of magical Egypt - if

3860
02:56:58,760 --> 02:56:57,149
you knew the cast of characters that

3861
02:57:00,649 --> 02:56:58,770
were involved you'd understand that

3862
02:57:02,210 --> 02:57:00,659
that's kind of a complicated question my

3863
02:57:04,010 --> 02:57:02,220
parts are all done we're doing five and

3864
02:57:05,960 --> 02:57:04,020
six right now let's say this within the

3865
02:57:08,510 --> 02:57:05,970
next 30 days episode five will be out

3866
02:57:11,929 --> 02:57:08,520
and episode five and six may come out at

3867
02:57:13,550 --> 02:57:11,939
the same time but um Brad is a big part

3868
02:57:15,349 --> 02:57:13,560
of the next episode and he's inundated

3869
02:57:16,519 --> 02:57:15,359
with Pearl Jam where he just did

3870
02:57:18,319 --> 02:57:16,529
something for Queens of the Stone Age I

3871
02:57:19,729 --> 02:57:18,329
was very impressed with so a lot of the

3872
02:57:21,380 --> 02:57:19,739
people because they're all doing other

3873
02:57:22,939 --> 02:57:21,390
things it's hard for me to really beat

3874
02:57:25,189 --> 02:57:22,949
anybody with a donkey stick and say

3875
02:57:26,630 --> 02:57:25,199
hurry up and finish this part and so

3876
02:57:28,219 --> 02:57:26,640
that's I don't mean to be squirrely but

3877
02:57:29,660 --> 02:57:28,229
um within the next month Episode five

3878
02:57:31,700 --> 02:57:29,670
will be available and shortly thereafter

3879
02:57:33,439 --> 02:57:31,710
Episode six will be done and then we're

3880
02:57:36,590 --> 02:57:33,449
just going right into a production on

3881
02:57:38,450 --> 02:57:36,600
another six in fact Jimmy I'd sure love

3882
02:57:40,130 --> 02:57:38,460
to have you participate in the next

3883
02:57:41,479 --> 02:57:40,140
we're doing a run of three with the

3884
02:57:43,580 --> 02:57:41,489
Great Pyramids which I know is a hot

3885
02:57:44,929 --> 02:57:43,590
button for you so I'd sure love to talk

3886
02:57:47,469 --> 02:57:44,939
to you about you participating in that

3887
02:57:50,809 --> 02:57:47,479
in some way anything that I can do

3888
02:57:52,760 --> 02:57:50,819
awesome thank you so much chance all the

3889
02:57:54,349 --> 02:57:52,770
bank you Jimmy people needed to hear

3890
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:54,359
this and good on you for taking the time

3891
02:57:57,830 --> 02:57:55,920
to do this and let's all remember we're

3892
02:58:00,529 --> 02:57:57,840
a family now and let's not lose touch

3893
02:58:03,019 --> 02:58:00,539
because our patron you know has moved on

3894
02:58:06,229 --> 02:58:03,029
no he's still with us we've got a lot of

3895
02:58:06,559 --> 02:58:06,239
work to do in his name and and do me a

3896
02:58:09,260 --> 02:58:06,569
favor

3897
02:58:12,019 --> 02:58:09,270
give my best to Vinnie's will do I'll

3898
02:58:15,019 --> 02:58:12,029
talk to you chance Gardner thank you so

3899
02:58:18,080 --> 02:58:15,029
much chance and this is this is how

3900
02:58:21,139 --> 02:58:18,090
we're gonna wrap our John Anthony West a

3901
02:58:24,649 --> 02:58:21,149
special tribute and again a special

3902
02:58:26,569 --> 02:58:24,659
thanks to dr. Robert Schoch and for

3903
02:58:30,260 --> 02:58:26,579
everything that he did earlier in the

3904
02:58:32,989 --> 02:58:30,270
show and again go to Robert Schoch and

3905
02:58:35,929 --> 02:58:32,999
dot-com I'm all choked up okay Robert

3906
02:58:38,359 --> 02:58:35,939
Schoch calm and and read everything that

3907
02:58:41,389 --> 02:58:38,369
he's just posted about Jaws some very

3908
02:58:45,580 --> 02:58:41,399
cool images there too as well and of

3909
02:58:48,679 --> 02:58:45,590
course magical Egypt calm the best

3910
02:58:50,779 --> 02:58:48,689
chance Gardner thank you so much

3911
02:58:52,910 --> 02:58:50,789
Thayne two blocks executive producers

3912
02:58:55,370 --> 02:58:52,920
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3913
02:58:58,000 --> 02:58:55,380
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3914
02:58:59,800 --> 02:58:58,010
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3930
02:59:42,590 --> 02:59:38,760
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3931
02:59:45,319 --> 02:59:42,600
everybody that came out and hung out for

3932
02:59:49,639 --> 02:59:45,329
a little bit of memory on the on the

3933
02:59:52,099 --> 02:59:49,649
life and times of John Anthony Wes until

3934
02:59:52,910 --> 02:59:52,109
tomorrow night's I want everybody to be

3935
02:59:55,970 --> 02:59:52,920
safe

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03:00:13,810 --> 02:59:55,980
go back Lee taffy

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